ok Raindawg you've said your piece. i'm leaving your post, but the the OP was looking for route information, not your opinion about the route, in which you are quoting from 3rd hand information. so that is it, you've made your statement and it will remain. if you have anything further to say about your opinion, say it in the rock climbing forum. this forum is for route information, not ethics debates. i'll remove your posts if they aren't on topic to the OPs request.
thanks!