pope, it is my observation while you and Dwayner hold perfectly legitimate opinions, you're calling the kettle black in this post, to implement the over used expression.
i haven't seen a new argument, i see the same clownish posts (in fact, often including clown pictures). that isn't to say there is a new argument or needs to be. you and dwayner's position on the matter is quite clear, and it hardly needs more explaining. you could just refer to the volumes of posts that have been made where your opinion is stated over and over again.
and it must be frustrating to have your opinion drug through the dirt, time after time. the bolt (BLT) war discussion almost never fails to generate pages of animated discussion featuring pictures of clowns and sandwiches, and almost never ends on a respectful note.
so perhaps if you have something to say when you see a post that features a new bolt you disagree with, or a tactic employed that disagrees with your particular chosen style of climbing. try saying it respectfully. the pictures of clown and acidic commentary don't really help your cause. i'm not saying to necessarily expect respect from the rest of the users because of the history you and dwayner have with the board. but maybe you can turn the tide, and you can win hearts and minds instead of attracting contempt.
i have complete respect for your point of view, even if i might not agree with it %100 of the time. but i think most (but not all) of the contemptible disagreements happen AFTER you lose respect for the person at the other keyboard.
so if you truly want to have a conversation about your point of view, first you need to recognize and respect that others might not agree with it. you aren't going to win their hearts and minds be suggesting they are clowns, even if they are acting like them. for instance, in your post above you call on Bill and Off to stop being negative...yet how negative is your post? how are you different from Bill other than you own your own personal trademarked CORRECT OPINION.