long and short of it is that one person in this thread had a profound impact on the sport of climbing. his impact was by deed, and not words. our discussion here will probably not impact the future of climbing, because they are out climbing and don't have time read what has-beens and never-weres are bitching about. now if you're out bumping elbows with people who influencing climbing by action, that would be different, but i don't think many of the people in this thread are doing so.
Its a pity that Pope and Raindawg can't argue their point of view without being so polemic. Since they do, they come off as detached from reality. I think most of us can agree there should be an ethical standard in our wild places, so in part we agree with them.
But by completely rejecting the notion of sport climbing (or at least appearing to do so in their arguments), they have turned the argument into a "Christains vs. Islam" situation where the middle ground might as well be the Gaza Strip.
And now I hear of this Valhalla where the world repents on its sport climbing ways. Is this some bizarre new sect?