FWIW, and that migh tnot be much, but my observation about climbers these days is that most consider gym climbing to be 'climbing', and that those that don't and actually venture outside will never be found more than 1/4 to 1/2 mile away from the nearest paved highway. If you don't fall into either of these camps, you are already in the minority. But then, I may be talking out of my ass just to see who has an aneurysm about it first.