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Though Prole would need to see this, heading to court as a civil rights violation. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101027/ap_en_mo/us_people_sacha_baron_cohen

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Shit, Dr Martin Luther King gets executed by the US Government with CIA and FBI involvement and you think this attention whore getting pushed to the ground is front page news. It's probably cause he's black I bet, and she's white. Nothing to see here, LOOK, an attention whore! Over there, Look! OMG! an attention whore! Hope she's OK! Does she climb? NO? It's OK, shes white, lets all do a drum circle and protest this act of extreme violence. OMG!

We read the posts to that link. Stop it Drew: We see right through this. We may be Americans, but we're not as stupid as you think. _________________________________________________ Ha ha Steve! When your eyeballs start hurting cause the nads are pressing up there it's probably time to re-appraise the direction of your life. That is, they've up gone up into and and past your throat and are then trying to hide in your eyesockets or your brain.... it's bad. I gave that shit up and am looking for solid rock to get my head back. Even Smith seems sooooo solid. LOL! ps, anyone want to see some empty bolt boxes? AKA, how I spent my summer vacation.

NOT!

There's room for bolted routes and X rated routes and everything in between in this game. Diversity is good. Cracks. Face. Knobs. Friction slabs. It's all good. Except for thin chimneys and offwidths for fat people like me. They suck. Bad. And steep sharp painful cracks, those suck too ........... unless you are in shape and then they rule.

No Mikel, but there were a couple of marginal ones where the Totem and an offset Alien held but everything else didn't. Plaidman (Scott Peterson) is still quite enamored with them.

Shite, that sucks but in my hood that don't qualify as a "beat down". You need tazers, plungers, police, 9mm's, a curb stomping or 2 and pit bulls before anyone notices. We've come a long way since the tar and feather days of Colonial times. What's the blond wig thing that just randomly pops in there in the video? What's that about? I don't have any sound, so I'm just looking at the picture.

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Last time I was out at Beacon, Jim and I were going to do a corner lap. We stopped and looked at the East Side overhangs mostly to catch our breath I suppose. Jim says: "You got 3 routes here"... I'm like "Really?" "Yup"... "Well I don't remember any"....he kind of chuckles and goes "Remember The Alan Lester Memorial Hiking Trail"? ... I was going to say no, what a dumb name. Then I remembered Gary and Bob letting me lead it (ground up, no bolts although I left a Leeper Z piton fixed on it somewhere) and naming that right after Alan Left the area. Good guy. Nice to see he's still a Mensch. I couldn't get up it today. Unless Alan led and I followed. Funny how his name has come up twice in such a short time. Southern Belle, that's bad assed on a whole nother level.

I'm not sure that consensus was reached even amongst each individual:-) For instance, although I felt that Splitters generally hold poorer than everything else we had in acceptable placements: it was interesting that Scott found a placement where ONLY the Splitter cam would hold on 2 lobes that NOTHING else, I mean nothing as in: Totem, WCZero's, Alien, Metolius Mastercam, Wired Bliss, Metolius offset tcus, Alien and offset aliens would hold. Nothing held but that single Splitter. (It was too large for the c3 to fit, but I feel certain it would not have held either.) Go figure. Overall, as far as the Totems went, certainly taking the smaller Yellow Totem along to fit in those smaller spots on the narrow end of the spectrum where the Purple did compare to the Silver/Red Offset Alien was a good idea as Mikel suggested. Yet in my mind nothing outperformed the offset Aliens....They'd stick in fairly fast and consistently, but if you worked and fiddled we always (except once) got the Totem to stick if the Offset Alien stuck. For stickablity, it often came down to the individual placement. Occasionally one cam would whomp, fit right in, and the next ones wouldn't...then, bam, next placement they would reverse. I might rate the cams best to worst, but I'm not sure how fair that would be because as noted, Splitters would be on the bottom and then there's the instance where the damn Splitter is the only cam that held. The moral of the story is that if you are going to head up say...El Cap: don't take doubles of the same cam, or triples of the same cam. Take 2 (or 3) differing brands so that if the C3 doesn't stick, then the Zero doesn't stick, the Mastercam will, or the other way around. In fact, the Splitters, which I wouldn't want on my rack for freeclimbing, would go higher on the list for aid, especially pin scars. The issue is further complicated in that the largest C3 stops at a fairly small size, while the Totems are more of a full spectrum size range cam. I'm heading down to Red Rocks at the end of the week, taking the Totems of course. Partner coming out from Colorado insisted and I'm not into disappointing buddies. Frankly, Totems are a nice cam with a real good range. I would not expect them to the best seller out there. For myself, Metolus cams rock, when you plug them in they stick and hold your ass. Camalots are sweet too and the price is right for these cams. I'm looking forward to Vegas and need to get on the easier routes. When I can get up it at all, I've been getting my ass handed to me on steeper stuff at Smith and Trout Creek last 2 weekends.

This. As far as the "Oh I'll just mozey off down the road and camp on other BLM land" folks, good luck, if they can make this bullshit stick, I'd expect that "no camping" on BLM land administrative rules and "no parking" signs will be the next thing you see. Seriously. If the issue was truly just this little piss hole, no worries. But it's not.

Let us know what the upshot of the deal is will you? Looks sweet! (Scary too:-)

You need to turn off the fair and balanced channel and turn on the Hope and Change channel. It's just your perception, nothing in reality has changed. Same as it ever was. Same same. That's all.

Woot! Check this out...ballet on a bike. http://wimp.com/bmxtricks/

Lasagna? WTH is that? I couldn't go with it. I think you would have gotten more votes with ..."meh"...

Yes! Regarding this quote, I was going to ask Tomtom " What the hell is wrong with you?" and I wanted to point out what a dick like post that was, but now, as you are correctly suggesting Goatboy, I will not. Whoa. Aren't you hard core. Come on Tom tom.

What the hell is wrong with you?

New report to an old story, I added the bold: "22 October 2010 Last updated at 10:20 ET Kelly wounds 'self-inflicted', says pathology report Dr David Kelly in 2003 Dr Kelly was the source of a BBC report casting doubt on government claims about Iraq's weapons Previously secret evidence about the death of Iraq weapons expert Dr David Kelly suggests that he died as a result of a "self-inflicted injury". The post-mortem report into his 2003 death blamed blood loss after cuts to his left wrist, aided by a painkiller overdose and "silent" heart disease. The report backs up Lord Hutton's verdict that he committed suicide. Two doctors who cast doubt on the case have come to opposing conclusions about whether their questions are answered. Professor Julian Bion told BBC Radio 5 Live the newly published report "certainly satisfied" him that the cause of death given was the correct one. But former coroner Dr Michael Powers said many issues had still not been addressed. The report was published on Friday, as ministers sought to end speculation over his death. Public interest A group of doctors have been calling for the case to be reopened, arguing that the suicide verdict was unsafe. Dr Kelly's body was found in woods close to his Oxfordshire home in 2003, after it was revealed he had provided the information for a BBC News story casting doubt on the government's claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction capable of being fired within 45 minutes. There is no pathological evidence that this man has been subjected to a sustained, violent assault prior to his death” Instead of a coroner's inquest, then Prime Minister Tony Blair asked Lord Hutton to conduct an investigation, which found Dr Kelly had died from blood loss after slashing his wrist with a knife. Lord Hutton requested that the details of the post-mortem examination and toxicology tests be classified for 70 years - to protect the privacy of the Kelly family. But the Ministry of Justice said it was now releasing the details "in the interests of maintaining public confidence" in Lord Hutton's conclusions. "While I firmly believe that the publication of these documents is in the public interest, I am mindful that the contents may be distressing," Justice Secretary Ken Clarke said, urging people to respect the Kelly family's privacy. 'Loss of blood' In the post-mortem, Home Office pathologist Dr Nicholas Hunt noted that wounds to Dr Kelly's left wrist resulted in "the loss of a significant volume of blood". They were "entirely consistent with having been inflicted with a bladed weapon" while "their orientation and arrangement...are typical of self-inflicted injury", he concluded. Among the factors he believes indicated suicide, Dr Hunt said the removal of Dr Kelly's watch and spectacles are "features pointing towards this being an act of self-harm," as is the "relatively passive distribution of blood and....the lack of obvious signs of trampling of the undergrowth or damage to clothing". Furthermore, there was also a "total lack of classical defence wounds against a sharp weapon attack". The toxicology report by forensic scientist Alexander Allan showed a high concentration of paracetamol and dextropropoxyphene in Dr Kelly's blood. The two make up co-proxamol - a prescription-only drug for pain treatment. 'Considerable' overdose Campaigners have questioned whether the painkillers in Dr Kelly's system were enough to cause death - and Dr Hunt says in his report that "the levels of paracetamol and dextropropoxyphene in the blood are not particularly high and may not ordinarily have caused death in their own right". But he adds that dextropropoxyphene can cause fatal heart rhythm abnormalities in people with low blood pressure as a result of bleeding. The toxicology report concluded Dr Kelly took a "considerable" overdose of the drug but he had died before all the paracetamol had been absorbed into his system. Thee was "nothing new" in the post-mortem report, Dr Powers said, and issues such as the amount of blood at the scene and uncertainty over the number of pills Dr Kelly had taken had not been resolved. "If he were only to have taken six to eight tablets, what does that say about his intent to take his own life?" he said. "I don't believe any of the evidence we have seen or heard to date can answer those questions." However Prof Bion said he found the report "convincing." In a statement, Lord Hutton said there had never been any secrecy about the post-mortem report as lawyers had had access to it during his inquiry. A spokesman for the Kelly family said he hoped that the documents' release would end speculation about the scientist's death."

"Political correctness can lead to some kind of paralysis where you don't address reality. " LOL! Great Slate version talking over the full meal deal: "Shirley Sherrod, meet Juan Williams. Three months ago, right-wingers clipped a video of Sherrod to make her look like a racist. They circulated the video on the Internet, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture fired her. Now it's happening again. This time, left-wingers have done the editing. They clipped a video of Juan Williams, a commentator for Fox News and NPR, to make him look like an anti-Muslim bigot. They circulated the video on the Internet, and last night, NPR fired him. According to NPR and the New York Times, the termination of Williams' contract was based on the following comments, delivered by Williams on The O'Reilly Factor Monday night: I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous. Now, I remember also that when the Times Square bomber was at court, I think this was just last week. He said the war with Muslims, America's war is just beginning, first drop of blood. I don't think there's any way to get away from these facts. In its statement announcing Williams' termination, NPR said: "His remarks on The O'Reilly Factor this past Monday were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR." (You can read NPR's full statement here.) The passage quoted by NPR and the Times is a dead ringer for a video clip of Williams, branded and distributed by Think Progress. The clip, which cleverly isolates the offending comment, has circulated among left-wing Web sites, just as the Sherrod clip circulated among right-wing sites. (The Washington Post also directs readers to the clip.) But the full transcript of Williams' appearance on The O'Reilly Factor, like the full video of Sherrod's speech to the NAACP, tells a much more complicated story. On the program, Williams was responding to host Bill O'Reilly, who had gotten into trouble for comments about Islam and terrorism. In his initial answer, Williams said exactly what the video excerpt shows: that he worries when he sees passengers in Muslim garb, and that the Times Square bomber declared a U.S. war with Muslims. Williams is right about the bomber. When Faisal Shahzad pled guilty in the Times Square plot, he told the court: "Brace yourselves, because the war with Muslims has just begun. Consider me only a first droplet of the flood that will follow me." That isn't a legitimate basis for judging all Muslims. But it is, as Williams said, a fact. And Williams' confession that he fears religious Muslims isn't necessarily an endorsement of bigotry. Remember what Jesse Jackson said 17 years ago: "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery—then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved." Sometimes a confession of prejudice is part of a larger reflection on the perils of prejudice. That was true of Sherrod. And it's true of Williams. The damning video clip of Williams, like the damning clip of Sherrod, cuts off the speaker just as he's about to reverse course. According to the full transcript, immediately after saying, "I don't think there's any way to get away from these facts," Williams continues: "But I think there are people who want to somehow remind us all as President Bush did after 9/11, it's not a war against Islam." That continuation has been conveniently snipped from the excerpt. A few seconds later, Williams challenges O'Reilly's suggestion that "the Muslims attacked us on 9/11." Williams points out how wrong it would be to generalize similarly about Christians: Hold on, because if you said Timothy McVeigh, the Atlanta bomber, these people who are protesting against homosexuality at military funerals—very obnoxious—you don't say first and foremost, "We got a problem with Christians." That's crazy. Williams reminds O'Reilly that "there are good Muslims." A short while later, O'Reilly asks: "Juan, who is posing a problem in Germany? Is it the Muslims who have come there, or the Germans?" Williams refuses to play the group blame game. "See, you did it again," he tells O'Reilly. "It's extremists." Williams warns O'Reilly that televised statements about Muslims as a group can foment bigotry and violence. "The other day in New York, some guy cuts a Muslim cabby's neck," Williams reminds him. "Or you think about the protest at the mosque near Ground Zero … We don't want, in America, people to have their rights violated, to be attacked on the street because they heard rhetoric from Bill O'Reilly." I'm not saying Williams is the world's most enlightened guy. He's wrong, for example, about the proposed Islamic Center near Ground Zero. And it's certainly unsettling to hear him admit that he worries when he sees Muslims in distinctive dress. But admitting such fears doesn't make you a bigot. Sometimes, to work through your fears, you have to face them honestly. You have to think through the perils of acting on those fears. And you have to explain to others why they, too, should transcend their anxieties or resentments and treat people as individuals. That's what Shirley Sherrod did in her speech to the NAACP. It's what Juan Williams did in his interview on Fox News. It was wrong of conservatives to take Sherrod's remarks out of context. It's just as wrong of liberals to do the same to Williams. The USDA, after reviewing Sherrod's remarks in their entirety, offered to rehire her. Now it's your turn, NPR." Here: http://www.slate.com/toolbar.aspx?action=print&id=2271931

!!!!! Great photo sequence! BEEF SANDWICH

So are you saying that they should have just cut his hours 84% (private) so he worked 16 % (gov't pay) of the time? make joke heh heh

Bullshit, he was on The Bill O'Rielly show "O'Reilly Factor": which no one but and a moron or you has ever confused as a news program. It's has never claimed to be fair or balanced. Even Whoopi Goldberg is calling bullshit on this firing. PS, I've never watched an entire "O'Reilly Factor" and can't stand the guy when I'm flipping the radio and catch part of it, but wished I'd seen this one show to really make a better determination. I have caught the Fox news show some Sundays when it's too wet for hiking or climbing and have always appreciated the honesty, intelligence and integrity that Juan Williams seems to bring to his arguments. Whoh edit, same time post, multiple K's and I are as one on this one.

I might have to watch Saturday Night Live to see what they do with this. Maybe that blond chick can be Chris Wallace as moderator. No Political Respect or Tolerance You'd think he'd know better than not toe the party line. Retrogressive Libtards have no tolerance for any other viewpoint if our own jb has been any indication.

Good on your snowmanjim! This might apply to Larry as well, the meat of the post is towards the bottom, I bolded the text. From: http://www.westernslopenofee.org/ "RED ROCK PASS DECISION STANDS FIRM The Forest Service allowed the deadline for filing an appeal in the case of U.S. v Smith to expire without acting. This confirms the decision by U.S. Magistrate Judge Mark Aspey that the Red Rock Pass fee area surrounding Sedona, Arizona is significantly out of compliance with federal law. The Coconino National Forest responded with a press release that's downright breathtaking in its audacity: "Red Rock Country Continues To Be A Fee Area." The press release disregards the Judge's description of the Forest Service's interpretation of the law as "absurd" and simply lists all the - supposedly wonderful - ways they spend the money. That's a little like a thief claiming it's all right to steal if you also donate to the United Way. The Coconino "is reviewing the area to determine appropriate changes in light of the court's decision" so perhaps - in time - they will get the message and bring the Sedona area into compliance with federal law. Meanwhile, anyone - in Sedona or anywhere else - who receives a Violation Notice, and who was not using a developed facility, would be well advised to read the Federal Lands Recreation Enhancement Act, review Judge Aspey's Decision, and consider whether their circumstances warrant asking for their Violation Notice to be dismissed, citing U.S. v Smith as precedent. DON'T BE FOOLED BY A NeRF! If you receive - in Sedona or anywhere else - something that looks like a ticket but does not say "Violation Notice," it is not a ticket! The Forest Service uses a device called a Notice Of Required Fee (NRF) to intimidate people into paying fees without the burden of having to prove in court that the fee is authorized or that the accused is guilty of not paying it. An NRF might as well be called a NERF - it carries about the same punch as a nerf ball. An NRF is NOT A TICKET! Much more about NRFs in Bill Schneider's latest piece for NewWest.net: Forest Service Moves To Intimidation To Collect More Entrance Fees. "