billcoe

Myth, sure. Do you read the instructions with that rope? The Mfg says toss it. Realistically, I just retired an 11 mil which was 10 years old I was still using for Toproping only (no falls, perfectly stored etc etc.). Your rope is 8. Why not just replace it like the most knowledgeable people suggest? Ropes are cheap, and easy to buy, esp.compared to having your tibula snapped in 1/2 and stuck out through your leg muscle. But I've only personally seen that with my own eyes one time. A 2 piece rope system so to speak. I have heard of 2 newer ropes nearly parting during falls. Like 8 feet of sheath being ripped and exposted. Both at Beacon. FA of Young Warriors when Kenney took a fall on P2, and a rope drag fall on left Gull, rope wrapped around a column. (REI REPLACED! the 2nd rope it was Brand new.)

I bought the 1 gb version for my wife and she loves it. I thought it was good sound, even with the regular buds, although I'm sure the sonys, Shures, and etymotics Iain mention are better. Reason for purchase, ease of use and lightness. This thing weighs like a stick of gum or so. Great for running, etc.

Damn, from reading the title I thought this was going to be a TR on that couples honeymoon.

I guess thats a better answer than "Crashpads are for Wussies". Or "real climbers just snap the ankles or some such thing". B

Dave Mathews, Van Halen's and Dolly Parton's version of Stairway to Heaven. I can tolerate them, but there was but one real Stairway, and you know what I'm talking about. _______________________________________________ "No Stairway....Denied": Waynes World

Awesome, can't wait for the Gorillas countersuit!

God bless this country. Where else can an idiot mouth breather benefit from doing something so stupidly idiotic such as missing the jump between 2 80' tall buildings and then suing the garage owner because he didn't have it fenced off? Http://www.local6.com/money/4239256/detail.html Teens Leaping For Thrills In 'Garage Jumping' Trend POSTED: 2:52 pm EST February 28, 2005 UPDATED: 3:23 pm EST March 1, 2005 ORLANDO, Fla. -- Teenagers in Orlando, Fla., are leaping between 80-foot high public parking garages in a new trend called "garage jumping," according to a Local 6 News investigation. # Click Here to see images of possible garage jumps and other images featured in the story. Local 6 News reported that the thrill seekers are vaulting themselves between garages in downtown Orlando. IMAGES: Story In Photos IMAGES: More strange stories, images featured on Local6.com Tim Bargfrede told Local 6 News that he was following friends when he attempted to garage jump and did not make it to the other side. Bargfrede fell six stories and was knocked unconscious on impact. "I just didn't make it," Bargfrede said. SURVEY Do you think the garages should be held responsible for injuries sustained by "Garage Jumpers?" The Garages Are Responsible Garage Jumpers are responsible Results | Disclaimer Bargfrede survived the 80-foot fall but was injured. "The first time I came to the garage after my son's accident, I looked over and I just about broke out in tears," the boy's father Tim Bargfrede said. "I can't believe he actually survived. He looked like he was near death." "He (Bargfrede) is not he first person, he is not the second person, there have been four or five other individuals before him that did this," family's attorney Vincent D'Assaro said. The city of Orlando owns one of the downtown parking lots next to a private parking garage owned by Orlando Tower LP, according to Local 6 News. Video Report: Garage Jumping Is Dangerous New Trend Orlando Parking Garage Director Samuel Vennero admitted he was aware of at least one other incident where a garage jumper didn't make it to the other side. "I don't think we recognized it before as a danger," Vennero said. There are no safety fences in place on the parking garage. D'Assaro is filing a lawsuit against the city of Orlando and the private garage owner for making little effort to correct a potential deadly risk. "There was a very, very short length of fence that was completely ineffective in preventing this from happening," D'Assaro said. # Local 6 News reported that thrill seekers are vaulting themselves between garages in downtown Orlando. Orlando Tower LP, the private parking lot owner, refused to comment about their responsibility, according to the report. Since Bargfrede fell, the City of Orlando erected a partial fence but there's still room for someone to take a dangerous dive. The family says that's not good enough and that both garages need to take responsibility before a garage jumper loses his life.

I've heard that if you cut the rope in 1/2, because the effective length is shortened, that it will only tangle 1/2 as bad. I have not tried this home remedy yet, perhap somebody else can enlighten us if it really works. - - BTW, that rope straightener thing hasn't been at REI for over 5 years. I think this was one of those things where they were trying to be nice, but some gym climber sued them for pain and suffering after it only partially straightened their rope and they got stuck part of the way down a cliff during their first time ever outside to a real crag for a rappel/rap bolt attempt.

You will. Wait until some F* head unclips your rope for you without your permission. Then we'll have the rest of this discussion. Re Tex: Can't argue with what you personally believe. Now: how about a shout out to Club Milf, Stoneworks or PDX rock gym now...... anyone.....anyone?

Sorry to not post a reply here, but I posted a reply to this post over on ascentionist.com at 10 am this morning already. http://www.ascensionist.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6400&an=0&page=0#6400

Yup -agree wid dat and lots more, everything there: I'd like to give a shout out to Beacon Rock: SE Corner, Blownout, Young Warriors and Raindance, which is Rythm Method if you clip the bolts. Anyone want to shout out Broughtons or Madrone? Regards Bill

Ouch ouch ouch: And all those posts are better. I'm going back to sleep now.

The BBC included some nice pictures of before and after to support a global warming artical. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pi...ging/html/5.stm Cya Bill

http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=81098&forum=23 -or - for those too lazy to click the link: it says verbatum, " CCH has responded to Quietmonk with regards to the incident which he described on Feb. 2, 2005. We have requested he send in the Alien for review by a metallergist. Regarding Boadman, his employment at CCH lasted for a total of 80 hours and does not make him an expert at the process of the manufacturing nor quality control of Alien Cams. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, however. Please understand that we are in the business of building a product that saves lives and we DO NOT take that lightly! Alien Cams have had a great reputation of performance and reliability for almost 20 years by climbers worldwide. Thank you for using a great product that is designed, machined and manufactured entirely in the United States of America. CCH, Inc." End of story. Bill

YEAH? But are you wearing Lycra tights when ya do it?

No doubt ... it would be all 45-degree ramp slogs covered in pea gravel with a litter-hauling/z-drag setup area instead of a bouldering zone, with mandatory helmets and ascenders for all members. Instead of a lead test, they'd make you put on a full pack and then kick you into the artificial crevasse, and determine whether you could effectively self-rescue while the staff poured Slurpees down the rope and into your collar. Yeesh. DFA, thats the 5 star post of the week!!! You read this stuff Iain? LFMAO!

I would have failed the one at club milf except the lady doing the test was kind enough to explain the answers to the questions she was asking. Like "explain to me what a z clip is". I said not clipping your draws in a straight line to that one. Buzzzzzzzz Nope. But she patiently and thankfully explained it. Now I know. So it only proves I need to gym climb more!

This guys looking for a rock climbing partner. I'm obviously excluded. http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=996430#996430 I'm not making this up: "No drugs, alcohol, smoking or bible thumpers" and you have to wear a helmet. Pretty much excludes EVERYBODY I know right there (varying degrees). If anyone in the Gresham Oregon area knows somebody like this, you might hook them up with this guy or he's going to be lonely!

Which may explain why it says "Wanker" under my name over there on the left!

Update: I misunderstood the thrust of this thing earlier. I thought the more the merrier. Dave Anderson, the Fish and wildlife biologist wants to restrict the amount of folks doing this to just a few. He suggests that the data is more consistant with just a few folks. We have bunches of names already so I guess it's full. Sorry. (We don't have the training scheduled yet.) Bill

Ignore Dru - I don't see it as bragging at all, you shared your thoughts and feelings, which those things were a part of. 5 stars Mike. Glad ya got to keep ALL the appendiges! Bill

FTA Joel, do what I use to do in trying times. Close your eyes and instead of OD green, visualize the bright greens and smells of the NW forests.....and the fresh air of freedom soon to come to you. It always helped me regenerate enough to get through at least 1 more day till eventually the shit ended. Thanks for the palace pics too. luck: Bill

Joseph Healy and I are collecting names of climbers and others interested in helping monitoring the Peregrine Falcons at Beacon Rock this year.

Shit - I thought Pope was posting a pic of Dwayner. Guess i got sucked in. My bad.

Don't worry, they'll start turning up stuck in your favorite cracks soon enough:-) Bill