billcoe

And in a bizare twist of sick humor the "Drip" was cumming from the arm and not some other soft senistive unmentionable place.

Not to leave your crap hanging on a popular sport route is one of the possible lessons.

Skinnard? KevBone takes requests? Cause Arch has been requesting him to F*K off for sometime and has been ignored. Confusing

OMFG!

Toooooo friggan funny. Anybody got a moral to this story?

Angels

Isn't this now known as the Anna Nicole disease? You get a scratch on the elbow and almost die. Week in intensive care in a hospital. Damn. And from this can we also deduce that climbing is dangerous? You got that scratch hangdogging I'll bet.

2 heads up: Don't get involved with Mt Tools is my honest opinion. Mountain GEAR is the company which rules. At pain of death don't confuse the 2. ______________________________ As long as we're on the subject, we're talking about 2 radically different products here on the offsets. Brass and Aluminum. Apples and Nuts.

Yeah, sometimes the strange shit you guys get is embarrasing even to us jaded old f*Ks like moi. Best just let it roll like water off a ducks back, no?

That is a shame, and IMO a disservice to the aid climbing comunity (if there is such a thing). That bolt ladder use to be spicey and you needed some skills to ascend it safely. Now I assume you could haul, belay, or lower from any bolt on pitch? By the way, the anchors had been replaced a while ago, but the on pitch bolts were not. I wonder why? Laziness. BTW to second what Jim A said about Bubbas anchors being left in situ and maybe drilling a huge single fatty to keep you alive. I think that the same thing could have been done on the West Face. IE, leave the old 1/4 star Dryvins (I guess that the catalyst for the new bolts was that somebody fell and zippered 8 of them out) and put a 3/8" next to them. Sooner or later any new 1/4 bolt would be ripped out. They look like the 1/4 holes were used for the 3/8" replacements, which, when you think about it, is a good thing.

No. ESPECIALLY true of any climbing pics. I hope that the "Hot climbing chics" thing just gets all the gals juiced up and high on how many of you women climbers are really running around out there getting on stuff.

thinking

pdx climbers Some of the locals start (soon) to head out after work to close areas. Assuming you're a nice person and give good belay: join in. Some folks ride bicycles it's that close to the butte.

Did the Bursitus go away in the hospital?

Wheres the Oly welcome back thread? Welcome Back Oly!

Bumped into Jason the other day. He'd be a good candidate for the mens calender. His arms are still that big but now I think it's from carrying around his lil' 1 year old pup. Cute lil fella too.

Peter, I think people should leave your stuff alone. No matter if they are fixed draws or rope. I think people should have left this fellas stuff alone too, and if he finds them he should kick their ass's and I'd help. As I mentioned earlier, I have, right now, a rope hanging off some f*ing crag. It's not a beater rope either. I've left ropes fixed on the Captain too. I think this kind of thing is situational. If the OP was getting out frequently and thought that getting these draws off the bolts on THIS route was difficult, or relatively unsafe, then why not leave em. He was going to bang it out and pull em when he was done and he didn't think it was a long term thing. (OK, I'll grant that 10 days isn't necessarilly banging it out). However: it does seem to me that this has turned into an acceptable practice in our community and draws are left due to laziness alone in many cases. (I don't know about this case specifically). I find that unplatable and it shouldn't be the case IMO. Pull your shit when you're done. Sometimes, like probably in this case, or in my case (I was asked to leave the rope by another so I did), you're not done. You're not finished. It's a judgement call and a fine line which can more easily be walked if folks on either side of the line were to think of other people. Bottom line for me though is this: Don't f* with peoples stuff. Me, you, anybody. There, that's what defines it to me. Your results, as they say, can and will vary.

The French are renoun for going to remote areas and leaving trash all over the place. Should we accept and duplicate this practice as well? The French and Spanish bolt the cracks. Should we accept and duplicate this practice as well? You want I should go on?

I'd almost bet money that the alternative will cost more and be less environmentally friendly. Polititians could fu*k up a wet dream.

Oh my....well said. Agreed: noting that there's something ya won't see everyday, Dwayner and Kevin agreeing. If they were that easy to pull, don't ya think you should have done it yourself. I feel the same as I always have. Don't leave them. Don't take em if somebody was selfish and left them. Leave others shit alone. If it's really garbage, like a car engine or washing machine tossed over a cliff, pick it up and put it in the trash, otherwise, leave it be. Sometimes draws are near impossible to pull. Steep, overhanging, long runouts. Sometimes it's just laziness. It's about respect and it's truly a 2 way street.

I'll wager a guess. Kevbone and, to a lesser extent, his main-man, pink taco, believe that their bohemian resumes elevate them beyond criticism. Particularly, when their attitudes of entitlement, which were "earned" through years of "climbing hard", are not respected on teh interwebs (they just want to PLAY withe the rest of us) they get sorta, ya know, defensive. You see, in their minds, they can post trash, acrimony, and painful prose and expect nobody to respond negatively because, as they've claimed numerous times, they climbed hard from a mobile command center during their formative years when the rest of us were pursuing less worthwhile endeavors like working our ways through school, paying mortgages, and starting families. Additionally, they have great big tasty dicks. So when someone has the pedantic GALL to disrepect Kevbone's boy-toy on teh interwebs, he gets all incensed because he KNOWS what pink taco has been through, and it was tough, and it was noble, and it was righteous, and we just need a little perspective in order to temper our viewpoints. When are you all gonna start guessing and speculating what Olyclimbers disease is cause I'd find that more interesting than this thread.

How about this Minx: Kev and Andrew have climbed together, and that their "real" personalitys are nice people and they like each other?

As we all are

And bless you too.

OK.....$7 but you toss in the collar. __________________________________________________________ Nah, seriously, my issues with the 2 mutts my wife drug home over my objections have been well documented. 2 very spry Jack Russells which as it turned out seem to stangely love and respect me the most. So I'm over-dogged as it turns out right now. Good luck with moving on chelle.