E-rock

I need an avatar in order to safely say what I think about sled-necks.

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: quote: Whew!! Your pucker's a little tight there bro. Have a You're probably right quote: Originally posted by ScottP: This summer I was sitting on the beach at Baker Lake alternately looking at Blum and Shuksan and my son and daughter throwing rocks. Down a ways was a family of PEPs (Piston Engine People). They were zipping around on those PWC (Personal Water Craft) making noise and stinking up the air a bit. At first I thought it was pretty annoying, but then as I got to watching them some, I saw they were having fun and enjoying the scene like I was, only in a different way. It didn't seem so annoying when I took it in that context. It's a different culture than mine, for sure, but no less valid of one. If you can't cut them some slack for being and thinking differently, then your intolerance just might send you to an earlier grave. I'm glad I posted afterall, because you've given me much to think about. I can be pretty fucking high-strung and self-righteous over my environmental beliefs. I don't want to die angry and in pain from too much life-long stress. But I will continue to lobby for non-motorized use, and perhaps, as I soften my approach, I may win over a few converts.

RobBob, since you are polling us for an opinion and this is something I feel very strongly about (and Caveman bullied me into responding with childish insults ), I'm going to speak my mind. I'll go much farther than to say that snowmobiles (and jetskis) should be banned from NP's, I think they should be restricted to a very finite number of specified locations where they are separated from all other forms of winter (and summer) recreation. I believe that people who partake in the use of snowmobiles and jetskis have no sense of aethetics and no reverence for the natural environment. Over the years I have had my altercations with 'bilers in the backcountry. My opinion is that they are generally a bunch of drunken, ape-draped, homophobic, brutes who feel empowered by their gas-burning toys and feel a need to overcompensate for their masculine insecurities. I think the practice of high-marking is destructive to the human spirit and our respect for the mountains. The high marking of high, steep slopes is done with such ease and speed that several sleds can track out an enormous mountainside in a matter of minutes. Because this act is so easy to commit, it makes the mountains feel smaller than they really are. It inflates the human reference frame to the point where we can view ourselves to be as significant as the mountains themselves, which on geologic and spatial scales is not true. I remember once talking a group of 'bilers out of beating me and my friend to a pulp, because my bigmouthed friend was yelling off the ridge at them. They believed that they had more of a right to be in the mountains than us because they "payed taxes on their sleds". These are the sorts of people who ride snowmobiles. They are the same people who bitch and complain that the governent taxes them against their will, then contend that their taxes have bought them priviledges (rights even!). The snowmobiler is a particularly odd sort of redneck, he (and I say HE because you see very few female high-markers/recreational sledders) comes from the city with his money, his gas burning toys, and his irreverence. He pollutes the land with noise and fumes, pisses off the locals, frightens the wildlife, and then goes home to his life of societal insecurities. The reason I was reluctant to post this is that many people on this site may use snowmobiles themselves for approaches. My opinion is biased against this for two reasons: I cut my backcountry teeth in a place where access was easy and snowmobiles were unrequired, and I choose not to access those places where a snowmobile would be necessary. Perhaps I would feel less strongly about snowmobiles as access vehicles if the four stroke engine was readily marketed. I think the two-stroke engine is a disgusting, wasteful excuse for engineering. Furthermore, I'm reluctant to say these things because: 1. I criticize backcountry snowmobilers for claiming their 'right' to recreate supercedes mine, while... 2. At the same time I contend to have 'more' of a right to visit the mountains in unmotorized peace. I am unable to reconcile this paradox in my own mind and fall back on the philosophical aspects of my opinion as expressed above. [ 10-29-2002, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: E-rock ]

quote: Originally posted by iain: quote:Originally posted by E-rock: Goddammit Mountain Goat Called by the formal "Mountain Goat" even. Impressive.

Oops, I meant... Goddammit Mountain Goat you fucking right wing psuedo intellectual asshole, just because you disagree with Michael Moore doesn't mean that he's 100% wrong. Christ I suppose you're 100% right all the fucking time, huh? P.S. Just kidding MG.

Lame troll

i.e. you are a trustworthy belay slave?

Made double posts about my inane, boring weekend. [ 10-28-2002, 10:17 AM: Message edited by: E-rock ]

Slept in very late both days, talked to some friends thousands of miles away, wished I was climbing about every other minute. Saw a movie and a half. Bought a fern. Went grocery shopping and flirted with the grocery girl I'm in love with (she climbs!). Made butternut squash soup, sang a Neil Young song for my roomates with the new guitar strings, which I haven't done since I was 19 and drunk at a party, kept forgetting the lyrics. Wished I was climbing.

Oh, good to hear it's raining, I had tentative plans to go as well, but never heard back from my potential partner. Guess it's my karma biting me in the ass for flaking on others in weekends past, and I didn't make plans far enough in advance cuz I didn't know how busy I'd be this weekend. Now I'm wasting my time at home trying to figure what to do with my day. I went to see Nokoyqatsi(sp?) and it wasn't as good as Koyanasqatsi(sp?), but fun nonetheless.

I thought Fern was a nice girl... doh, dumb joke

Fern why aren't you climbing, why the fuck don't you guys live in Seatle so I can lead sinsemilla for you...

Muff, why are you spraying today and not climbing. Fuuuck why am I spraying and not climbing. I suck.... I'm gonna go buy a plant. [ 10-27-2002, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: E-rock ]

Check your PM's

quote: Originally posted by Muir on Saturday: there's a little voice inside me saying this shit wouldn't happen if people just smoked more pot. Drug induced schizophrenia?

Hate to burst any bubbles, and I haven't read this thread so I apologize for bringing it back on track. Shit, maybe someone already said this, but that story sounds like an urban myth, where in a submarine are you gonna plug in an electric razor to recharge it? I'm sure they have 220 volt, sockets along the baseboards...

I've got a coupon, but it has my old roomates name on it, don't know if you have to go with him or not to use it. Are you really going to Pub Club, Erik, I'm gonna be working late right around the corner, so I'll stop by for a minute if you are. E

WHAT I don't want that home shit!!!!

otherguy is a big,fat, retentive homophobe Gay pride is not just for gays you know...

quote: Originally posted by RobBob: Post your political spray here, and preserve Muir on Saturday's legitimate position in history. Dovetailing over from that thread, I'd like to note that E-rock is an ivey-league-mysoginist, and Fence-sitter is one ugly dude. RobBOb, I don't know why I like you, but I do, you slanderous Fascist. [ 10-21-2002, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: E-rock ]

Thanks Ry and Timmay and Fern and Krazy1 and Alison and Carolyn and Cletus. (Did I miss anyone?)

I think Iain deserves more of the credit. I had never even heard of the experiment till he chimed in last night. Does it look like Columnar Basalt?

No really it's not sarcasm, I'm sorry it came across that way. I meant it it made me feel good.

That warmed my heart to hear. I'm glad you were a part of it. As for me. My weekend of being a working stiff is over and i'm going home. Thanks, especially SK, my partner in weekend boredom. [Edited to hopefully remove percieved sarcasm] [ 10-20-2002, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: E-rock ]

Must work. See you in a bit. Please holler at me if you see me lurking or posting, although we're the only two today.