JoshK

Yeah, unless there is something the picture doesn't show real well, that looks a hellavu lot easier.

In my mind, this is cyclical and not something we can change... Dude: You're hardcore! Even Bush's scientists admit we're causing climate change and CAN change it. I'm not sure this is a "great issue" for climbing in particular, though. I do think this is a big issue for climbing. It's also an issue for winter backcountry pursuits, which some of us value equally. I mourn when I see evidence of recently receeded glacier ice and bare rock in late season where there has always been snow or ice previously. The evidence in Colorado is even worse. Check out this pathetic little piece of snow they call a glacier here: http://hikingincolorado.org/images/stmary_12b.jpg Ouch!

There is still a very reasonable approach if you are going to the south side of the mountain, as they did. The big difference between this area and the pickets is the terrain is so much easier.

Oh god, how terrible. I dont know Frank personally but just the fact that I recognize him as a frequent poster and that I have probably had converstaions with him online make this even more sad.

That "small" glacier is probably bigger than any of the so-called glaciers here in Colorado.

I agree, I think it's a horrible misuse to use it for birth control. Despite this, it isn't my decision, your decision, or anybody elses except for the mother.

THe difference between a 6-month-old and a fetus which is still a part of the mother is pretty fucking big, cracked. That has to be one of the stupidest analogies I've seen in a while. Until that child is a seperate life (meaning *outside* of the mother...I don't care about anybody's religious definition) it is part of her body, and it's up to her to decide how to handle it. The very thinking that somehow we should be able to tell her what to do is simplistic and ignorant.

I think he is probably more against shitheads like you deciding what is right for a woman to do with her own body.

My stupid referred more to hauling a bunch of weight up for a few hundred feet of lousy turns. Sorry, but I just don't get the TAY thing. Skiing, at least to me, is about having fun, not having to do something to hit a schedule or whatever. Ironically, Paradise would at least afford one a reasonbly lengthy run, rather than a small snow patch.

I know it's not PC to critisize, but hauling your skis up Ruby mountain for that shit is pretty dumb.

How the hell is he spraying? He mearly pointed out he had done the same thing before.

no schrund is impassible... That said, it was even quite broken in April when we climbed most of it.

just get a decent photo printer for $40, print in 8.5x11 (or 14) and splice things together if you need a bigger map. Then spray it. Printing on 11x17 or 13x19 is a waste of money when you can do the same thing with a printer a fraction of the cost.

Just facts here. Debate as you like... I just sincerely hope that those of you who vote repub do so for reasons other than economic. Current Unemployment is 5.5% July new jobs report was 32,000 Forecast was about 250,000 U.S. Labor Market Overview U.S. population is roughly 294,000,000 U.S. Labor force is roughly half of the population, or about 140,000,000 U.S. population and labor force grows about 1% annually 1.4 million new people enter the labor force annually, roughly 120,000 a month George Bush II Track Record Between Jan, 01 and July, 04 the economy has lost 1.2 million jobs 1st president since Hoover (1929-1933) to lose job during 4-year term If labor force participation was same as March, '01 unemployment rate would be 7.3% Bill Clinton Overview Average job growth monthly was 225,000 Added ~11,000,000 jobs 6.8% -> 4.0% unemployment rate drop Contrast between Dems and Repubs in 4-year terms since LBJ Dems 10.1% job growth during terms Repubs 4% job growth during terms Reagan was 6.8% Clinton was 9.1% Nature of today's new jobs Tend to be lower paying than jobs lost Since Jan, 2004 Bottom fifth employers in wage & salary have added 477,000 Walmart, etc. Top fifth of wages and salaries has added no net jobs 57% of people who lose jobs find a lower paying job Market for college grads is increasing but lowering for high school grads. Mostly meaning that college degrees are now useful to get even low paying jobs Average hourly wage over last 4 years is up 8% which doesn't even beat inflation Essential living expenses over past 4 years Health care premiums up 49% College tuition up 40% National property tax up 30% Gas prices up 23% Partially offset by lower taxes and lower interest rates, but not nearly enough

I just happened to turn on the TV a few minutes ago and on CNN Bush was speaking about intelligence director or something like that. He was actually making sense, to give credit where credit is due. Then the interview starts to rap up and it goes something like this... (slightly paraphrased) reporter "mr. president, are you going to athens?" bush "Athens, texas??" reporter "greece" bush "oh greece. no, I dont plan to" reporter "what is your favorite moment so far of the olympics?" bush "Uhh.........Hmm.........Huh, there are lots of them.......let's see.....Iraqi soccer........I liked the Afghani woman holding the flag. Our gymnasts are great, the swimming, lots of great stuff." I am not sure how the reporters didn't crack up at the "Athens, Texas"? part...

I'm sure the water (for power) and other resources wasted by Las Vegas for casino lights, etc. dwarf the water used by households or fountains. the sad fact is LA, LV and Phoenix (among many others) were stupid ass places to build cities. Unfortunately we all have to deal with them now. I'd support turning LA into a nuclear weapon testing ground.

Ironically a great deal of benifits and pay reduction has come down from the Bush whitehouse. Meanwhile these poor folks are shipped around to fight a war with a poorly defined objective and have their deployments extended.

Not to be a dick, but the listed climbs would definiltely be beginner. They are workouts and fun, but certainly not technically challenging or committing.

I think you make a turn onto the chocolate highway and go right up that.

So do you know of this M7 line because you've actually climbed or because you enjoy hanging around reading topos for ice climbs?

A perfect guide book...great info and small so you can carry the whole thing if you so desire.

Well, it looks like we have the latest CC.com flavor of the month now...N Face of Inspiration! Soon it will be as crowded as 3Cs was a winter or two ago. My only question is if you actually climbed it, or is this just a damn funny faux TR??

Real men climb in the northern pickets.

Yes IG, I conceed, a topo is quite useful if you are retarded. The rest of us will just stick to following the completely farkin obvious line.

Sounds like the answer to michael's question is that it was an enchainment. Traverse would mean staying on a connected feature, such as a ridge. At least that is how I understand it.