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Nope...i can't go... gotta get some work done before i leave next week for yosemite...

That can easily be remedied..... NO!! STAY ON THE HIGH ROAD!!!!

Yes...a moderator that removes a post willy-nilly can seem to be elitist...the funny thing is i would hardly call Matt or daryl died in the wool sport climbers or elitist...Daryl's done his fair bit of bolt removal and decried chipping very loudly... Daryl has put so much time and energy into index establishing all forms of routes that it seems funny to me that he's been tossed into the lycra sporto camp...in fact its hilarious...the other point is that he expends a great deal of energy FOR OTHER CLIMBERS...ie, anchor replacement or upgrades, trail maintenance, guidebooks, route cleaning and maintenance...Given his level of involvement, he should have some input into index's future, don't you think? You are right though that the type of person drawn to climbing is the type to have large egos, and we are all guilty of that... Having seen entire areas lost to boltwars on the east coast, and the whole ken nichol's retributional chopping crap firsthand in the late 80's, I don't think we want to go down that road in the slightest...

Caveman, You know sphinxakaTheGuyEveryOneHates? I get the impression that he digs bolts and sportclimbing...yet, you know what, i don't see countless Richard Simmons postings implying that trad climbers are fags or spineless or suck or whatever. Yet this is the precise way that dwayner responds...i believe this is what matt is saying...its inflammatory and INSULTING... What is wrong w/ saying "You know, there was an ethic that caught hold in the 70's...one that espoused not destroying the rock, more using it to protect yourself instead of forcing your passage...one that left no trace that you'd visited...one that had respect for the environment that you were in...one that didn't have the "WHITE LILLY FLOWER GARDENS OF BUOUX" to contend w/..."??? The answer: Absolutey nothing is wrong w/ saying that... However if you say that you are a fag or spineless or a coward or whatever...you are insulting the people w/ the counterview...this is what matt and daryl are talking about... Can you not see the difference here? Its like having an argument and someone starts swinging just cuz they don't agree w/ you...its not right and is frankly childish... The other thing is that it is PROVOKING and the discussions will degenrate into well, what you've seen...

a mini tiny ascender...i have one that i use for running up a rope to shoot pictures in combo w/ a grigri...

In a word, Yes. You are clever, relentless and, more than anything else, manipulative. You have found a way to constantly push buttons and you damn near refuse to let an opportunity to ruin a thread pass you by. P.S. I believe I DO understand something about the connection between bolts and area closures and I do not think that the connection is anywhere near as simple as you state it to be. Some conservationists who are not outdoor recreational users advocate closing some public lands to climbing, but they also include hiking and fishing and hunting in their list of detrimental activities. It is not bolts that they object to. Most land managers don't even know what a bolt is, until some bolt-hating climber or an erupting bolt war brings the issue to their attention. Certainly, some sport areas have generated traffic, parking, erosion, or other impact issues, and these have lead to some area closures. However, I don't think that bolting practices have been, in themselves, directly responsible for very many area closures (maybe none). Well put Matt...

Countless, truly approaching infinity...

what if the guy/gal wearing the chaps is an ass? Surely the chaps wouldn't be assless would they???

ummm....there's a crappy 1/4"er to get to the crack on the second pitch of city park...hahahahaha...the horror

The Mother Tongue...great book...pretty interesting... Yosemite Free Climbs...

gotta watch my girl-ish figure...

no way!! I'll find out next weekend!!!! I don't drink beer...but i'll take a cream soda or root beer though!!

With a double bowline no less!!!

can't this weekend...at least i can't say yet...i may be going to index sunday...that's a big maybe... BUT...i'm hitting redmond gym w/ the wife and kids!!!!! SO STOKED!!!

No fat is good!!! Extra built in training weight!!!

You two skinny minnies need to hang w/ Distel bouldering some more and eat cheeseburgers...that'd thicken you up... Fuck that skinny waif climbing physique!!!

ah am fully aware you will rock me, but i love gettin my ass kicked sport climbin'. side note: i dont believe dqwayner believes half the shit he says; if he does, he is an ass, but i think he is jsut rattling the cages and seeing what kinda shit comes out. He does seem extreme, doesn't he? Rock you? Ha...i'm fat, old and out of shape permanently...its all good...

I'm interested...

yah definitely!!!

Scott...i should get out climbing w/ you sometime...maybe so you could see the other side of the fence...

That won't work. I'd have to start arguments with myself or, I suppose, I could give my id and password to all the usual suspects..... Mattp!! You crack me up!! Man, you're great...we need to get out craggin again!!

This is juvenile...you're playing into his hands...but at least its in spray

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France with the right partners is U-N-B-E-A-T-A-B-L-E!!!!!!! You can't get weathered out...if its gross in chamonix, just head south to les calanques or southeast to italy... Man, those are some fricken' great tix!!!