RuMR

Kitten...it is both... Putting your hand in cookie jar is dangerous...one might "fall" into your hand...best to just not even open the stupid thing...

I can answer w/ what worx for us (well, me anyway, my wife doesn't really care)... I crag on a daily basis w/ women, but i don't go on weekend trips w/ just one woman (Unless Jdog counts as one )...i will go w/ several women with or without other guys...ie a group situation...but not w/ ONE woman alone (unless its my wife) FWIW...these are self imposed restrictions...my wife did not put them on me...I think RobBob hit this one on the head...

you started it bitch...

right back at you...

dork

NECRO, Fuckin' quit it...i get your point, which has nothing to do w/ mine...which is its equal to an atc (and just for you, ITS ALL RISKY AND SUBJECT TO FAILURE GIVEN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES)

Whatever, necro...you are reading too much into what i wrote...I SHOULDA said, "IF USED PROPERLY, a gri gri is a safe and effective means of belaying..." You should have said "if used properly, a Gri Gri can reduce the dangers inherent in belaying a climber, but NO belay technique is completely safe." I give up...man, you must be a dick of teacher...anyone get a's in your class? Sheesh...

rbw... Listen, if your belayer's smokin a bowl while you are climbing, i'd rather have him using a gri gri than anything else...and personally, wouldn't want him belaying... When i said completely, that was regarding the device...obviously if the person operating it is clueless, inattentive, whatever, you got serious problems... We are arguing semantics here...my bad for improperly stating my opinion of grigri's and necro...get bent...

ahhh matt...always the voice of reason...Anytime...and if you want, i'll keep you on a tight belay w/ a hip, atc, munter or your choice!!! We do need to get out again sometime...i'll be up at index tomorrow...

Whatever, necro...you are reading too much into what i wrote...I SHOULDA said, "IF USED PROPERLY, a gri gri is a safe and effective means of belaying..." There...does that make you feel better? Since you seem to be so great at reading into shit, you shoulda picked up on what i was trying to say...they are as effective as atc's generally, and sometimes more effective...and nowhere did i say anything about me as an operator...although i think i'm decent... You don't know me, so don't make assumptions...

how is this arrogance? I wasn't trying to be a shit about it...perhaps you can point to me where you detected snobbery or sumpin? I've been using one for 9 years or so...never had any problems dropping someone or breaking their gear, etc.? And me myself have been caught by one on short falls on gear, near the ground (high fall factors) and on big falls w/ a lot of rope out... Please, tell me what the problem is...or fuck off...

I belay and climb using gri gri's and atc's... The only time i prefer an atc is when i have to rap... Gri gri's are completely safe and an effective means of belaying...

That'd be true...

nope...but i got to clean up all the vomit on my keyboard now...

Well stated!

Like Trask here: Bwahahahaha!!! you oughta post a warning about that pic...

Did you discuss the NEW ROCKCLIMBING FORUM????

Bitch, you're just jealous 'cause you know you could never send that green problem! It was a stupid reach problem anyway...How about your whiny ass on the pink sit start problem??? now that was funny...

Where do you buy those elephant sized panties anyway??? MooRus??

Who's whining? You're whining, RuMR's whining ... DFA's not whining. Anyway, you can't beat an evening of sendin' tuff at the gymmie. Ticked the purple problem, the green problem, the orange, the other green; it was the best climbing day EVER.

Greg's busy washin' his panties....

DFA tell ya what punter...you take a day "off" from yankin' yer pud whilst the missus is slavin' at her job, come up here and i guarantee you'll get some craggin in...either index or si, your choice...i will take PTO to go...

gym sux ...its fer workin' losers like me...