RuMR

I'll see what i can do...they are more of a cragging shoe...don't think i'd tramp around in them too much... 5.10 is getting their quality control back...they are now building their own shoes... For some reason, ALL of my fivetens have held up really well...i do have friends though, that destroy theirs very quickly...guess i'm careful w/ them...as i've said, Ramuta has been able to go 3 to 5 resoles on them w/o complaining...

Yer puny old-man leg couldn't squash a bug, RuM(p)R(anger). Dwayner was fun to punch around. HAHAHAHA...guess i'm not a punter then...

Erik...have you tried anazasis?? They are the shit for technical face (read: Smith)...felt as powerful as synchros and a hell of lot more sensitive...better nose for pockets too... Bunglehead...depends on your foot...it seemed that the moccasyms fit a little wider foot than the pinks do...what was your main problem w/ the mocc's??

They are both cats of sorts aren't they?

I got a pink anazasi on my foot w/ your rearend's address on it...will that work???

stretches too fast...his post was rippin' the mocc's for that...i think he's thinking a shoe as opposed to a slipper...

Bunglehead...try the pink anazasis...they are hands-down THE BEST SHOE OUT THERE, don't stretch (so no need to get them crushingly tight), are essentially plastic (so you can throw them in the washing machine-->no stink)...the nose kicks ass in pockets and thin cracks and nothing is better on technical face...they are ok at really really steep stuff too (we don't have much of that around here, but i mentioned it anyway)...only caveat, they have to fit your foot... I've put 5 resoles on a pair...

LACEUPS...bag those mesas...TOO stiff... the laceups are better at cracks than the ace anyway...

Ascent-->sport shoe

Best edging shoe, hands down is the pink velcro anazasi...better than stiffened models cuz u can still feel whats going on and better than the velcro version cuz its a bit beefier...good crack shoe too...

Personally, i'd rather it be open gun carry than concealed... That way EVERYONE knows the deal...

That's why i reccommended Rotterdam...big city and most of the punks (american) go to Amsterdam...

The place ROCKS! Check out Rotterdam also...

Steve... First, a very thoughtful post on the many issues present... I have to say though, that alot of what you are describing will "naturally" (and i mean naturally, in the sense of time, not nature) occur...This is a fact of the sheer numbers of climbers and the many more that are entering the sport. So, what can be done? What would be some mitigating steps that could be taken? I don't know...some advocate keeping climbing dangerous w/ some sparks to it...this would tend to keep traffic down, but increase toproping...either way, this sport will have impacts just based on the masses... Rudy Ruana

Yeah...i can second that...go w/ Wild Country or BD for .5 or bigger...

ahhh...sphinx...you're killing me...throwin' gas on flames... Zimm...i'd recommend checking some other people's racks out and using some of the stuff before buying it...even CHEAP cams really aren't that cheap and you might as well really really dig what you're forking the money over for... Personally, I like BD cams...I have several solid stem old school friends that rock also...but lately, i've been finding the bd's on my harness and the friends on the ground... For small stuff, i like the metolius tcu's and fcu's...they "push" around in cracks...several people just scream about aliens...but its a personal choice... Use some of the stuff first...

Nope...i can't go... gotta get some work done before i leave next week for yosemite...

That can easily be remedied..... NO!! STAY ON THE HIGH ROAD!!!!

Yes...a moderator that removes a post willy-nilly can seem to be elitist...the funny thing is i would hardly call Matt or daryl died in the wool sport climbers or elitist...Daryl's done his fair bit of bolt removal and decried chipping very loudly... Daryl has put so much time and energy into index establishing all forms of routes that it seems funny to me that he's been tossed into the lycra sporto camp...in fact its hilarious...the other point is that he expends a great deal of energy FOR OTHER CLIMBERS...ie, anchor replacement or upgrades, trail maintenance, guidebooks, route cleaning and maintenance...Given his level of involvement, he should have some input into index's future, don't you think? You are right though that the type of person drawn to climbing is the type to have large egos, and we are all guilty of that... Having seen entire areas lost to boltwars on the east coast, and the whole ken nichol's retributional chopping crap firsthand in the late 80's, I don't think we want to go down that road in the slightest...

Caveman, You know sphinxakaTheGuyEveryOneHates? I get the impression that he digs bolts and sportclimbing...yet, you know what, i don't see countless Richard Simmons postings implying that trad climbers are fags or spineless or suck or whatever. Yet this is the precise way that dwayner responds...i believe this is what matt is saying...its inflammatory and INSULTING... What is wrong w/ saying "You know, there was an ethic that caught hold in the 70's...one that espoused not destroying the rock, more using it to protect yourself instead of forcing your passage...one that left no trace that you'd visited...one that had respect for the environment that you were in...one that didn't have the "WHITE LILLY FLOWER GARDENS OF BUOUX" to contend w/..."??? The answer: Absolutey nothing is wrong w/ saying that... However if you say that you are a fag or spineless or a coward or whatever...you are insulting the people w/ the counterview...this is what matt and daryl are talking about... Can you not see the difference here? Its like having an argument and someone starts swinging just cuz they don't agree w/ you...its not right and is frankly childish... The other thing is that it is PROVOKING and the discussions will degenrate into well, what you've seen...

a mini tiny ascender...i have one that i use for running up a rope to shoot pictures in combo w/ a grigri...

In a word, Yes. You are clever, relentless and, more than anything else, manipulative. You have found a way to constantly push buttons and you damn near refuse to let an opportunity to ruin a thread pass you by. P.S. I believe I DO understand something about the connection between bolts and area closures and I do not think that the connection is anywhere near as simple as you state it to be. Some conservationists who are not outdoor recreational users advocate closing some public lands to climbing, but they also include hiking and fishing and hunting in their list of detrimental activities. It is not bolts that they object to. Most land managers don't even know what a bolt is, until some bolt-hating climber or an erupting bolt war brings the issue to their attention. Certainly, some sport areas have generated traffic, parking, erosion, or other impact issues, and these have lead to some area closures. However, I don't think that bolting practices have been, in themselves, directly responsible for very many area closures (maybe none). Well put Matt...

Countless, truly approaching infinity...

what if the guy/gal wearing the chaps is an ass? Surely the chaps wouldn't be assless would they???

ummm....there's a crappy 1/4"er to get to the crack on the second pitch of city park...hahahahaha...the horror