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This is only an attempt by Pope to show what a badass he is and how morally corrupt the new generation of climbers are...its pointless though, cuz 95% of sportclimbers agree w/ a no chipping stance... Ahh...the past looks so sweet w/ that rosy golden hue and the future looks GREEN!

No...the bolts did not change one move physically...its in your brain...the thing is still 5.11...if you can onsight 100% of the 5.11's of that style, then you could pull off that route... People are not willing to risk serious injury or death on a gamble that they will pick the right line and the right sequences even at 5.10... So, your argument is that the gamble is reduced, not the difficulty...

True, but endurance is of no use if you can't pull a move on your way up. You can get both from either route climbing or bouldering... Bouldering circuits can smash you endurance-wise...or you can blend for a power-endurance...or go power...its how you train and what you are training for....

No pope...it doesn't... Chipping reduces physical difficulty Bolting reduces danger... Unrelated...

Churning has two chiseled pockets...bad form, i agree...that is one of my twenty routes i referenced...there are a couple at index and a few more at smith, and 1 (since restored) at si and 1 (since restored) at the new...

rumr the new 2003 nostalgia visor is also available pink for whiny pussies and avocado green for those who couldn't get enough living in the past with the gold version. OMFG!! YOU'RE FUNNY!!!!!

I doubt that...Two huge proponents of Yosemite style climbing went to Europe and came back somewhat "altered" in their views in the early 80's...then Mr. Moffat came over here and took the traditional climbing scene apart...then Mr. Karrigan came over and did it again... The two climbers woulda been a certain Mr. Kauk and Ms. Hill...specifically they went to see what all the hullaboo was about and came back convinced that there were other valid ways of approaching climbing...

Looking back is screwed when you have your gold colored nostalgia visor on lockdown... I don't think you'll have anything to worry about regarding chipping...just not gonna be a problem...

What.....are they the rock police? You're making my argument for me: every lame justification for sport climbing offered in this thread can be used to defend just about ANY rock alterations. Of course I'm getting confused. I just hope that when I show up with my hammer and chisel, your sport buddies down at Smith are as progressive and open-minded as you have continually encouraged me to be. Damn dude...you should have your next avatar be CaptainHyperbole...to match scott's SquawTalkaLottaShitt... So...where are all of these dastardly chipped routes anyway????

POPE! Are you really concerned about chipping??? It just isn't a problem...it doesn't happen that much, it isn't supported in mainstream rags, it doesn't get you sponsored... Are you a closet chipper? is this why this is such a concern for you? Seriously, i can think of about 20 chipped routes out of maybe 5000 routes that i've seen...

I'm on full blown kid duty, so i'll be lucky if i can get to the regular gym for weights at 5 in the morning... Swing by my house and grab those shoes...when do you leave for Bishop????

Lame pope...again you are confusing bolts w/ chipping... Nobody has advocated reducing the physical challenge...you'd probably get your ass kicked by a bunch of sport climbers if you were to chip holds on ToBolt or somewhere else there...

Matt and others are correct...DO NOT START CLIMBING TOO EARLY...and if it bothers you QUIT IMMEDIATELY...you rupture the tendon completely and you are screwed....big time...

So...does that make you a super pussy? just kiddin'...

anytime...just keep your sticky fingers off my gear ...bolts or cracks????

Don't presume to be telling others that they lack ethics...they lack YOUR ethics...there is a difference, scott... and don't be telling me my ethics "change"...i'll feel the way i do about most stuff about the same most every time...

How am i gonna get those shoes to you????

Tie into a rope...get on something over your head...plenty o' bouldering on a rope to be had... I hate star warz...dumb movie...

whatever...after i recalled your words, i basically threw your holier than thou argument in the trash can... I don't see a problem w/ coexisting sport and trad...they fit fine in my definition of ethics...maybe not yours, but i don't think much of your ethics...

Funny thing about that word "always"...huh?? Another way of spelling always is HYPOCRITE...

now bout those pesky biners, scott...

So Mr. Harpell... Is it REALLY ethical to lift those biners off of backpacks? Really? I'm having a hard time seein' it...but do enlighten me...

yerfuckin'nutz... talk to me when you have children about this last issue...

and yours don't fit the real world...you think they do, but you look like an idiot trying to force them...

thanks... you just proved my point your point is what? I don't care about ethics? That your point? No...i don't care about YOUR ethics...mine are different...you obviously don't care about MY ethics....do you?