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yeah an dthat is murder... and it is wrong. Well...i don't give a shit if its wrong in your world or not...the mother fucker forfeited his life the second he thought about touching my child...So be it, if you think i'm acting like god...i don't care what you or society or anyone else thinks...that person would be a walking dead man...Fuck Ethics... When you have kids let's revisit this conversation...

Scott...i'm telling you, if someone molested/harmed one of my children, i'd HUNT the bastard down and kill him in COLD BLOOD...and he would disappear to the bottom of the pacific...even if i had to wait until after he got out of prison...I think that fits your definition...

when... i defy you to give me an instance. How bout someone molesting a child? If it were my child, i'd kill that bastard as fast as i could load my gun, then the body would disappear... How bout spousal abuse? How bout combat? How bout just plain getting into a drunken brawl and the guy pulls a knife and its you or him? Need some more? How bout state-sponsored capital punishment for a monster like Ridgeway? You are a fool if you try to force a black and white framework on life...ITS GREY!!

There is another phrase for situational ethics: common sense. To reject common sense in favor of some black and white rules is the practice of someone who doesn't want to live in a thinking, conscous world. Go find yourself a nice totalitarian state where you and the other bolt bigots can make yourself at home. Free the bolts. Free the bolts. Free the bolts and we're all free to have fun at last! Damn Matt!! You're funny!!!

and yeah, murder is sometimes acceptable...there are circumstances that support it...

I've no problem w/ situational ethics...

Font has the best slopers!

YEah, but you can go get lost if you try to ram your ethics down my throat...ethics are totally relative... ie, in some civilizations, it was deemed ethical to keep slaves of conquered societies...

well it certainly used to be now didn't it? that was my point... saying that we have already defiled the wilderness is not excuse to do with it what we will... if you wanna use that logic, than why not grid bolt index as it used to be a quarry... riiight. It is no longer a wilderness, duh...why not use it now??

no no no NO PEBBLE WRESTLING...its fun, but so is crack cocaine... MUST SEND ROUTES...

You are defining a road cut as wilderness??? WTF??? Pretty soon the elementary school yard will be if you keep w/ that logic... It is an excellent use of a resource...I seriously doubt you'd or (anyone else) would be interested in heading to that fractured rock w/ a rack...so why not bolt it up and use it as a resource for the city of seattle?? You are making no sense to me...

Not really scott...nice attempt at a dodge though...

You're too funny, Kurt...

what part of "coexist" don't you understand? You are being very fascist...

Squaw ChickenLittle...perhaps you should discuss w/ Darryl Cramer the real reason DDD was bolted...do it via pm's.. The sky is not falling, very few entire crack systems are bolted...Don't worry, you'll be able to scare yourself silly as often as you'd like...

Hey...i said "please"!

Did somebody say fun? Stupid pope...did you loan your password to Dwayner?

Why does EVERY route have to be a big deal???? Everything's just gotta be a sufferfest, huh?? That's a dumb argument... it doesn't... but i am not gonna alter therock so that it is safe for me to climb. people have done this RUMR. check it out nd you will see the bolt holes. It is not a sufferfest, but rather a challenge come may take it upon themselves to commit to. it also shows precedence. you say "who cares about 32 & 38" but i see the spreading cancer that has manifested itself in the form or retrobolting of classic testpieces that challenge the body and mind. no that stupid of an argument i would say. You are never gonna convince me (and the majority) that sport climbing and traditional climbing can not coexist...

In classic mountaineering, the two are inseparable. But i don't like like mountaineering, i like cragging...why do i have to play by your self-imposed rules?

Please please pretty please...Don't share it if it involves asses...Thanks!

and your point is??? Somehow, you and i fundamentally disagree on the fact that a bolt is the predicator for imminent demise of a cliff...

Why does EVERY route have to be a big deal???? Everything's just gotta be a sufferfest, huh?? That's a dumb argument...

SHit...why just the other day i was walking by that route and I saw Richard Simmons cranking that w/ just nuts and a cam!!

Too many rap bolted sport routes are low adventure low challenge?? HAHAHA my friend you have not been climbing enough sport! either that or you are climbing 5.14. That statement cannot be taken seriously be anyone unless you are climbing sport routes all over the world and all grades, from 5.5 to 5.15. Poor argument Come on Luke...Look at realization, that thing is a low adventure bolt trail...absolutely positively has nothing going for it.... You've provided an example of a high-challenge, high-adventure sport route I assume (never heard of that climb but...oh well). Now, I would like to present you with an example of a TYPICAL SPORT CLIMB and then you can tell me how much challenge/adventure our subjects are having: Hey Pope...maybe they just want some Fun? ever hear of that word? Go look it up...its got kind of a crazy definition...

share what? Oh never mind...don't answer that....