RuMR

ahhh...the new and summersville!!!! HOT DAMN!! Did you check out the Meadows??????

Hey Petey...you need to haul Eric T. down there too...he's all about pimpin da crimps!

hahahaha...bring it, Petey!!! How's the one-arm going? Got two the other day w/ my right...only one on my left

boo hiss just 'nutha fuggin' NCA

cuz i suck and its expensive...

CLIMB... Goddamnit...two snowflakes and you guys go all flaky...WTF???? minx and RuMR -> at a certain point PM's become more appropriate.

Yeah...no shit...fuck ice...its about sunny rock...

Yeah, but usually my weenie fingers hurt so bad the next day that i get sick just thinking about locking down on another razor...so one day rulez... Plus, my kids get to screw around in the gym on sunday...

Same distance whether you drive for a day or go for two!!

First date w/ my future wife...3 month roadtrip...Smith, then Cave, then redrocks, then utah, then shelf, then rifle, then hiking in montana...Pretty much had our honeymoon...

Cracks Mono's Just kiddin'...its all good...

SUPER COOL...just leave the poptarts at home Seriously, lets hit smiff sometime...you can meet and talk w/ Alan, the father of american sport climbing, and hard hard crack climbing...

Yo Oly...what's with logic? That left the room about 25 pages ago...

If you are capable of 5.12 or better, you are prepared for the Bachar Yerian. If you can't climb those grades, you'll need more bolts. You can climb out of control, with more abandon and confidence, you can risk trying a move that you might not really be ready for. In short, you can be a physically weaker climber and climb a heavily bolted route for a given grade. Why use any pro at all then pope?? Why? Why do you get to decide how much is just enough??? THisiz a stupid stance... Now wait a minute, you're the guy always accusing me of being Captain Hyperbole! Touche`!

If you are capable of 5.12 or better, you are prepared for the Bachar Yerian. If you can't climb those grades, you'll need more bolts. You can climb out of control, with more abandon and confidence, you can risk trying a move that you might not really be ready for. In short, you can be a physically weaker climber and climb a heavily bolted route for a given grade. Why use any pro at all then pope?? Why? Why do you get to decide how much is just enough??? THisiz a stupid stance...

This is only an attempt by Pope to show what a badass he is and how morally corrupt the new generation of climbers are...its pointless though, cuz 95% of sportclimbers agree w/ a no chipping stance... Ahh...the past looks so sweet w/ that rosy golden hue and the future looks GREEN!

No...the bolts did not change one move physically...its in your brain...the thing is still 5.11...if you can onsight 100% of the 5.11's of that style, then you could pull off that route... People are not willing to risk serious injury or death on a gamble that they will pick the right line and the right sequences even at 5.10... So, your argument is that the gamble is reduced, not the difficulty...

True, but endurance is of no use if you can't pull a move on your way up. You can get both from either route climbing or bouldering... Bouldering circuits can smash you endurance-wise...or you can blend for a power-endurance...or go power...its how you train and what you are training for....

No pope...it doesn't... Chipping reduces physical difficulty Bolting reduces danger... Unrelated...

Churning has two chiseled pockets...bad form, i agree...that is one of my twenty routes i referenced...there are a couple at index and a few more at smith, and 1 (since restored) at si and 1 (since restored) at the new...

rumr the new 2003 nostalgia visor is also available pink for whiny pussies and avocado green for those who couldn't get enough living in the past with the gold version. OMFG!! YOU'RE FUNNY!!!!!

I doubt that...Two huge proponents of Yosemite style climbing went to Europe and came back somewhat "altered" in their views in the early 80's...then Mr. Moffat came over here and took the traditional climbing scene apart...then Mr. Karrigan came over and did it again... The two climbers woulda been a certain Mr. Kauk and Ms. Hill...specifically they went to see what all the hullaboo was about and came back convinced that there were other valid ways of approaching climbing...

Looking back is screwed when you have your gold colored nostalgia visor on lockdown... I don't think you'll have anything to worry about regarding chipping...just not gonna be a problem...

What.....are they the rock police? You're making my argument for me: every lame justification for sport climbing offered in this thread can be used to defend just about ANY rock alterations. Of course I'm getting confused. I just hope that when I show up with my hammer and chisel, your sport buddies down at Smith are as progressive and open-minded as you have continually encouraged me to be. Damn dude...you should have your next avatar be CaptainHyperbole...to match scott's SquawTalkaLottaShitt... So...where are all of these dastardly chipped routes anyway????