RuMR

POPE! Are you really concerned about chipping??? It just isn't a problem...it doesn't happen that much, it isn't supported in mainstream rags, it doesn't get you sponsored... Are you a closet chipper? is this why this is such a concern for you? Seriously, i can think of about 20 chipped routes out of maybe 5000 routes that i've seen...

I'm on full blown kid duty, so i'll be lucky if i can get to the regular gym for weights at 5 in the morning... Swing by my house and grab those shoes...when do you leave for Bishop????

Lame pope...again you are confusing bolts w/ chipping... Nobody has advocated reducing the physical challenge...you'd probably get your ass kicked by a bunch of sport climbers if you were to chip holds on ToBolt or somewhere else there...

Matt and others are correct...DO NOT START CLIMBING TOO EARLY...and if it bothers you QUIT IMMEDIATELY...you rupture the tendon completely and you are screwed....big time...

So...does that make you a super pussy? just kiddin'...

anytime...just keep your sticky fingers off my gear ...bolts or cracks????

Don't presume to be telling others that they lack ethics...they lack YOUR ethics...there is a difference, scott... and don't be telling me my ethics "change"...i'll feel the way i do about most stuff about the same most every time...

How am i gonna get those shoes to you????

Tie into a rope...get on something over your head...plenty o' bouldering on a rope to be had... I hate star warz...dumb movie...

whatever...after i recalled your words, i basically threw your holier than thou argument in the trash can... I don't see a problem w/ coexisting sport and trad...they fit fine in my definition of ethics...maybe not yours, but i don't think much of your ethics...

Funny thing about that word "always"...huh?? Another way of spelling always is HYPOCRITE...

now bout those pesky biners, scott...

So Mr. Harpell... Is it REALLY ethical to lift those biners off of backpacks? Really? I'm having a hard time seein' it...but do enlighten me...

yerfuckin'nutz... talk to me when you have children about this last issue...

and yours don't fit the real world...you think they do, but you look like an idiot trying to force them...

thanks... you just proved my point your point is what? I don't care about ethics? That your point? No...i don't care about YOUR ethics...mine are different...you obviously don't care about MY ethics....do you?

yeah an dthat is murder... and it is wrong. Well...i don't give a shit if its wrong in your world or not...the mother fucker forfeited his life the second he thought about touching my child...So be it, if you think i'm acting like god...i don't care what you or society or anyone else thinks...that person would be a walking dead man...Fuck Ethics... When you have kids let's revisit this conversation...

Scott...i'm telling you, if someone molested/harmed one of my children, i'd HUNT the bastard down and kill him in COLD BLOOD...and he would disappear to the bottom of the pacific...even if i had to wait until after he got out of prison...I think that fits your definition...

when... i defy you to give me an instance. How bout someone molesting a child? If it were my child, i'd kill that bastard as fast as i could load my gun, then the body would disappear... How bout spousal abuse? How bout combat? How bout just plain getting into a drunken brawl and the guy pulls a knife and its you or him? Need some more? How bout state-sponsored capital punishment for a monster like Ridgeway? You are a fool if you try to force a black and white framework on life...ITS GREY!!

There is another phrase for situational ethics: common sense. To reject common sense in favor of some black and white rules is the practice of someone who doesn't want to live in a thinking, conscous world. Go find yourself a nice totalitarian state where you and the other bolt bigots can make yourself at home. Free the bolts. Free the bolts. Free the bolts and we're all free to have fun at last! Damn Matt!! You're funny!!!

and yeah, murder is sometimes acceptable...there are circumstances that support it...

I've no problem w/ situational ethics...

Font has the best slopers!

YEah, but you can go get lost if you try to ram your ethics down my throat...ethics are totally relative... ie, in some civilizations, it was deemed ethical to keep slaves of conquered societies...

well it certainly used to be now didn't it? that was my point... saying that we have already defiled the wilderness is not excuse to do with it what we will... if you wanna use that logic, than why not grid bolt index as it used to be a quarry... riiight. It is no longer a wilderness, duh...why not use it now??