iain

to bolt might be easier with ice tools...

layton I'm not sure what your image is but it's disgusting

Not another hardman list. This is like the dare a few months ago for climbing colonial, graybeard, etc Are you expecting a trophy after you climb it? Perhaps a gold guy with an alpenstock instead of the gold bowling guy like the summer league champions get...

I'd be up for some hood routes this weekend but the free air freezing level is forecast at 11K through the weekend. that's unfortunate.

Originally posted by Jens: Went to Portland rock gym. Awesome height in the roped area! The bouldering area was tiny with soft ratings. Only a couple climbers showed up. Noneof them brought harnesses or were even willing to look at the incredible roped area. PRG is only crowded in the evenings on weekdays, and then it's f'ing packed. Went up and soloed hood, skiied off. Beautiful sunny day. Not a single other climber on the whole hill! Different scene than WA? You were climbing the dog route on a weekday in early Winter conditions. You won't see too many people doing that.

nice post Muffy. As a single mid-20's climbing guy I consider myself an authority on the matter too

I just got back from a ski up to Illumination Saddle and a ski down towards paradise park. There is good skiing over there, but cutting back to the Palmer snowfield means navigating a minefield of rocks. The bergschrund is still large up there. The gulleys look to be somewhat covered, but it is probably more loose snow than rime yet. Amazingly, there are some big crevasses still open on the Zigzag Glacier. I don't think I've ever seen more than one tiny crevasse on that thing, and right now, there are several large ones below Illumination Rock. We need another dump of snow, and it looks like some is on the way this weekend. Jens, I saw you checked out in the climber's register and I think I saw you skiing down in the morning. Hope your climb went well.

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: The "huddled masses" you refer to are immigrants and why should immigrants be expected to get a free handout just for coming here? They should work just like everyone else. Why indeed? They should follow "the American Way" through hard work, and if that's not enough to get by, than they are lazy. And when the parents want something better for their kid i.e. college but they can't quite make it financially, screw them they can suffer like the miserable shits that they are. My money can be better spent on lift tickets and new skis each year. Fuk the poor.

[ 11-14-2002, 12:27 PM: Message edited by: iain ]

Nothing could be more simple than your intense selfishness and disregard for society in general. I personally don't like seeing desperate people wandering around in my town trying to survive. Will I walk up to them and hand over my money? Of course not. Am I willing to believe in a system where I contribute some of my income to the overall good of the community? You bet. Yes, the system sucks in places. But if you honestly believe that every individual out there who is not as fortunate as you to have a home, education, etc is somehow a leech on society and is out to get you, I pity you, as that is not a fun way to live life.

one of the high lakes in the Melville Group, Battle Range, south of Golden, north of Bugs. Nobody there, lots of peaks (Moby Dick, Proteus, Pequot, the list goes on). Helo required unless you are daniel boone on meth.

I can barely tell what you are saying there. I'm off to check out the snow on Hood now adieu. Folks I'll be at smith one or both of the weekend days here maybe catch you guys there.

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Yes. It is actually a fairly popular activity.

screw the elderly. they are the economic leeches of society. why should my hard-earned money go to their bingo games?

take it easy on him, as was said before, his mousing arm is damaged from enjoying too many climbing videos.

once again higher mathematics eludes you fence sitter. as for mtngoat, engaging you in specifics is about as fun as striking up a conversation with Speak'n'Spell.

quote: Originally posted by MtnGoat: (insert random quibbles over semantics followed by pontification about some other stuff) …so right now we should just brush those less fortunate under the carpet. It is remarkable (and incredibly tiresome) that you could somehow, someway rationalize targeting people who see suffering in their community (and would like to figure out how to help those in need) as selfish and lazy. Am I lazy because I don’t volunteer at the soup kitchen all the time, that I am willing to consider paying someone else to deal with the problem? Maybe, but I am aware of the problem and want to do something about it realistically. You (or simply others here) are saying it’s not your problem. Where do you think the criminals you feel the need to fend off with guns come from? (and now I will have to endure challenges to point to references, etc, etc, ad nauseum).