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quote: Originally posted by AA: Anyone have any stories of being in a situation like this and what you did? A partner and I were shelled by a big rock avalanche from Yocum Ridge on a traverse on the Sandy Headwall on Mt. Hood a few years back. My partner got a tv set in the pelvis and I was hit in the helmet hard several times and beat up my hand which was shielding my face. I could see that my partner was bleeding profusely as he had some light-colored pants on and it was spreading over his leg. He was still conscious and moving so we both just ran for it to get to lower ground and below the Sandy G. bergschrund (which had swallowed some of our gear in the rockfall). We got to just below an ice fall on the right when my partner pretty much collapsed and said he was going to throw up. Shortly after that he said he was going unconcious and wanted to help me use his VHF radio to get some help before he did so. This led to some increased stress on my part. Since he was in bad shape and we were still under an active ice fall I laid out a tarp and dragged him down the glacier to an area where it looked like a helicopter could land and that was free of rockfall. This was fairly exhausting and I could only use one hand as my other has damaged by rocks. My partner was shivering uncontrollably at this point (it was very hot on the glacier) so I tried to treat for shock but I was not sure if he had serious adominal injuries (potential life threat) or merely a superficial break at or near the pelvis (not quite so bad). He had a big gash at the iliac crest which refused to stop bleeding w/o constant direct pressure. I placed a dressing on it and yanked his belt up over the gash and cinched it down as tight as possible. His VHF was not helpful, so a Motorola Talkabout was tried. We actually got ahold of some kids in McMinnville playing in their yard (~80 miles away), they got their dad on the radio, and we relayed instructions to the county sheriff via the dad. We were picked up by the air force and dropped off in Portland (which was the craziest part, hanging out in downtown portland at 1600 in full glacier setup after hanging out on the Sandy Headwall since 0730). Anyways, it really pays to have the training, but as you can see it really was not used much apart from controlling bleeding, treating for shock, and realizing when you need help getting out. Nothing the WFA doesn't cover. Could've been a lot worse though, we both consider ourselves lucky to be alive.

Finally! FRIDAY...SHOWERS... SNOW LEVEL 5000 FEET... PASS WINDS SOUTHWEST 15 TO 25 MPH. FRIDAY NIGHT...SHOWERS... SNOW LEVEL 4500 FEET... PASS WINDS SOUTHWEST 15 TO 25 MPH. SATURDAY...RAIN AT TIMES... SNOW LEVEL 5000 FEET... PASS WINDS SOUTHWEST 15 TO 25 MPH. SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY...RAIN AT TIMES... SNOW LEVEL 6000 FEET BREEZY. VETERANS DAY AND TUESDAY...RAINY AND BREEZY AT TIMES... SNOW LEVEL 6000 FEET. WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY...RAIN LIKELY... SNOW LEVEL 6000 FEET

I was hoping to avoid seeing that puppy porn again. Both of 'em

what's with all the kids wearing googles around here?

Problem with WFR / EMT courses, you end up carrying rubber gloves and a facemask around in your back pocket all the time.

The WFR is a good course but is quite expensive and time-intensive for people who are not involved in rescue or guiding in a professional capacity and can be supplemented financially for the tuition. It is considered fairly standard for most guides and mountain rescue these days (though many have less than this training). WFA is a good course, but I would not want to rely on it as the sole responder to an incident. Many of the things you learn in WFR are situations were you can't do much for the person anyways, but it helps to be able to make the diagnosis and provide appropriate care until definitive help is available. -Iain

just raid nordstrom's for the n.f. metrx jackets and hit up costco for a shopping cart full of 9-volt batteries. good to go then.

but then Portland will have to lend Seattle its one and only snowplow again! Never!

that is quite possibly the worst joke ever. [ 11-06-2002, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: iain ]

quote: Originally posted by Fence Sitter: true enough...and erik is woody... brillant and striking analogy!

does every thread on cc.com have to become political like this?

much of the work could be alleviated by using crop dusters to carpet bomb the place with elmer's.

Thanks for the tip! There's been a homeless guy out crapping in the bushes in front of my apartment. I'll see if I can catch the Blazers game next time he's around, maybe go for a cruise in his spare car too.

Starbucks is the first thing to go. Metro needs to set up those drinking fountains to fire out coffee. think how much would get done!

quote: Originally posted by Dr Flash Amazing: [QB] Overhanging limestone sport crag with half-inch glue-ins every six feet in downtown Portland./QB] You'll need to kick in global warming to a frenzy to get a new inland sea deep enough for a subtropical reef system to flourish. Then cut back on the CFC's let the ice form again in the polars, let the reef bury itself and let karst take care of the rest! No ice climbing, unfortunately, for the next several million years though. I'm afraid pioneer place would be a shambles too.

looks like that bearded dude coaxed his buds to carry all his loot for him! That's why he's smiling so much.

he also said he was at "the office" working on his "computer" for the slide show. But who the hell knows what "computer" means in Canada. Perhaps an abacus or set of shells? bwahaha

Escalante Canyon/Canyonlands/Zion/Bryce UT + quality fungus = mind-blowing experience. Try it.

quote: Originally posted by RobBob: Uh, or maybe he could use a digital camera w/o leaving the building? because it's a SLIDE show. unless this is a powerpoint deal. in that case you could have some real fun.

the coolest thing you could do would be to have someone somehow snap a photo at the beginning of your talk, rush to a 1hr photo place and slip the slide in at the end and finish with it. people would freak!

1985 Toyota Camry keys will open BMW 2002's. Actually 1985 Camry keys will open 1/3rd of all Camrys as well

maybe throw in a re-escalation of the drug war too.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: this interesting article will explain a lot that article's way too long for me to read. do you have a plot summary?

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: thank Dave Parker for supplying the condiments - babies are better with some ketchup and mustard. do you intend to kick them in the teeth beforehand?

I voted against it punk