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My ancestors believed that we all came from frozen balls of sweat in the armpits of the Frost Giants, what did your ancestors believe? Dwayner, many people ridicule these biblical laws because they find the assertion that everything you need to know comes from a pre-scientific anthology that attempts explain how the world works and provide a health code to be ludicrous. Sure, the historical framework around the bible's prohibition of homosexuality could be quite interesting, but as a justification for legislation it carries about as much weight as a pig fart in Kansas. The study of ancient mythology is pretty fascinating, but having it govern a modern society is akin to taking advice from a dentist's ex-wife who is channeling a 35,000 year old warrior.

Well Lambone, as an avid guidebook reader, I'd have to say that it sort of looks that way where Wayne is concerned.

Here's an anarchist's take: "Laws. Good folks don't need 'em and bad folks don't follow 'em, so what good are they?" That's not me talking by the way, I'm a middle class property owner with children, and as a friend recently pointed out, the police are now working for me. So why do I still twitch when I see one in the rear view mirror?

They swear an oath to the Constitution, not the President, if I'm not mistaken. It shows you don't have a clue about the military community, Iain. I don't reckon that one flies too well in a military court: I disobeyed my commander in chief because I thought it was contrary to the Constitution of the United States. Fact is, the military is supposed to do what their told, and its only in the highest echelon that you get to debate policy. Now, I fully understand that combat units can't be governed by committee, and good of the whole can be utterly dependent on instant action and obediance without reflection, but by the same token that doesn't make the rank and file a good critic of foreign policy. And if your life is on the line, you might as well go ahead and completely believe in your mission, because every edge is gonna count. No offense Glacierdog, you'll do what you've gotta do, and I only wish you well and hope you come out the other side of whatever comes down. Caveat: Like the majority of people on this board, I too am not in the military community.

Hey DFA, what's with the PBR? I thought you were a micro-brew kind of guy. You just trying to get in good with Erik?

I got to go climbing in my front yard yesterday, my forearms are still a little pumped. It felt great to turn off the computer and actually go climbing.

I've enjoyed my recent forays to the Crystal Ballroom in Portland, its a nice old hall with a spring loaded wooden floor and no smoking. Capitol Theater in Olympia seats 800, but its still set up as a movie theater (complete with balcony) so it doesn't have tons of open floor space if thats what you're looking for. Olympia Film Society (great organization) runs it, and the floor does slope like a real theater, so it's conducive to actually seeing the show. Just saw Utah Phillips there, great show for those of a lefty/labor slant. What's the event that has you shopping for a venue? Is this a celebration of work not being hell anymore, or is it for the release of the long awaited article?

I kind of agree with Dwayner on this. Its not that the Earth Circus has no entertainment value, but I think if a current anti war protest wants to influence policy, it needs to not be some fringe piece of society, but represent the millions of ordinary folk who just aren't happy with the present direction. Just my two bits. Large crowd scenes tend to make me anxious, and I never do what the band tells the audience to do, much less join some group in chanting, but I'm likely to check out the Olympia version of this event down in Sylvester Park, and I'll dress pretty damn straight for the event.

[quote why don't you mention how many Hit Dice it has too? Actually Dru, I was thinking of the Golem of Prague who saved the Jewish Ghetto in 1580 and is reputed to lie in a cobweb covered coffin in the highest part of the Prague Synagogue just in case he's ever needed again. Kind of like a jewish King Arthur. Of course, one would think that either of these defenders might have seen a little duty in WWII, but that's a different story. DFA: while gaffe may be the appropriate term, when trolling on the internet you will find that a gaff will help you land the big ones.

I thought the Clinton/Loral deal was with China. Not that it couldn't connect through to N. Korea that way...

Damn, I've already retired my old euro coathanger ice screws to keep from being ridiculed by you all, and now you're telling me I've got to discard my 20 year old Eiger ovals? What's next, I'm going to have to trade in my Pivetta Red Spiders for some new fangled galoshes type kletterschue just to remain fashionable?

DFA: it's rather unlike you to commit such a linguistic gaff, but as I'm sure you are aware the character in Tolkien's saga is "Gollum" whereas a "golem" is a homunculus usually made from clay, and animated by magic.

What is the biggest problem for an atheist? No one to talk to during orgasm.

A hippie gets onto a bus and sits next to a nun in the front seat. The hippie looks over and asks the nun if she would have sex with him. The nun surprised by the question politely declines and gets off the bus at the next stop. When the bus starts on it's way the driver says to the hippie, "I can tell you how you can get that nun to have sex with you". The hippie says that he'd love to know, so the bus driver tells him that every Tuesday evening at midnight the nun goes to the cemetery and pray's to God. If you went dressed in a robe and glow in the dark paint mask she would think you are god and you could command her to have sex with you. The hippie decides this is a great idea, so on Tuesday he goes to the cemetery and waits for the nun to show up. At midnight sure enough the nun showed up, while she was in the middle of praying the hippie jumped out from hiding and says. "I AM GOD" I have heard your prayers and I will answer them BUT ... first you must have sex with me. The nun agrees but asks for anal sex so she might keep her virginity because she is married to the church. The hippie agrees to this and has his way with the nun. After the hippie finishes he stands up and rips off the mask and shouts "Ha, Ha Ha I'm the hippie!!" Then the nun jumps up and shouts "Ha Ha Ha I'm the bus driver!!"

While we're on the subject of the Cardigans, how about their version of Burning Down The House with Tom Jones on vocals?

Ya, mebbe, but the venerable Toots & the Maytals done it first. That band is Me First and the Gimme Gimmes.

English Beat: tears of a clown Pleasure Barons: take a letter maria hellacopters: gimme shelter

Fitz of Depression did a great version, but don't know if thats the one you're thinking of. I think most covers that don't re-interpret the song suck. You've got to add something to it, not just display your wish to be the original artist. To that end, The Gourds doing their bluegrass version of Gin & Juice remains one of my favorites. Just today I heard a good version of Like A Rolling Stone slopped up as only the Replacements can do it. Just the other night in Portland Sleater-Kinney did a brilliant version of Fortunate Son.

I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure that what you heard is not what I meant. Do you not want me to not tickle you? Remember: its opposites day! Make a wish! (when someone farts)

I think Shahid is legit, but it is spam, and he doesn't play, converse, tell stories, or add any drool-worthy photos. He did spawn this mildly diverting thread, but I figure his next attempt will be deleted so as not to trouble you all. We'll call it the Paul Detrick Memorial Administrative Action to honor our comrade who saw so clearly so far ahead of the curve. I do wonder though, what is the highest elevation that anyone has ever soldered? Terrestrial only, repairs on Mir don't count.

No Max, not sarcasm. I've never done the route or been to that canyon, it was a wild guess based on position, popularity, and your assertion that it was easy to guess. The second one looks wild, limestone I assume. Thailand?

wild guess, but I'll say Chrimson Chrysalis at Red Rocks?

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