Off_White

in Tenino, the banana belt of Western Washington.

Or eat them. Can't say I didn't think about it a time or two.

Yeah, I have llamas, and my experience suggests that they suck for the purpose you propose. >They walk slower than most people, and require at least as much conditioning to be in shape and carry decent loads very far. As an owner, I just didn't have the time to spend hiking them around with loads, so my llama packing trips have invariably had sessions of porter strike, where the pesky camelids just lay down in the trail. >They do best on trails, which only get you so close to the good stuff. Talus fields? fuggedaboutit. Slide alder? no chance. >Llamas do indeed have a much lower impact than horses, since they both weigh less and have soft pads with toenails instead of hoofs. Some districts recognize this, and will allow them on trails closed to other stock, some districts don't. Mt Rainier for instance acknowledges no difference, and you'll be very limited in where you can go. Baker-Snoqualamie NF is much more generous, and they use them to supply trail crews and such. >All the impedimentia, llama wrangling, and beast management consume time and attention. Push comes to shove, I'd just as soon throw all the shit on my back and just have myself to deal with. >There are commercial packers out there, but I don't know much about the cost.

Cat urine glows under ultraviolet light, not in the dark. You'd have to bring one of those little uv LED key chain light thingies. Or just hold the rope close to your nose.

HEY, take that kind of chatter to the Freshiezone! He's prolly pickin' brush as an independent contractor.

Yes indeed, c'mon out ya'll

What, you've never had any work you want to avoid?

I've just done a bit of thread shuffling, sending region-specific info and queries to their respective regional forums, others to Spray, or Gear Critic, or other homes. If you don't see your thread here, look around, it's just been moved, not deleted.

What, you think Dave Schuldt is going to be Bush's stand-in for the speech?

Honestly Peter, when you read the hyperbole from UTS, doesn't it make you just a wee bit uncomfortable? Sure, it's not you doing the histrionic handwaving and declaiming, but it is about you, so the connection is unavoidable. I'm sure CO climbers are a part of the same meta-slacker culture common in the rest of the country. We all enjoy various aspects of the climbing game, but if one gets all hopped up and self important about it, the other monkeys are going to fling poo at you. If you were to post the same "release" on Supertopo or Rockclimbing.com I'm sure you'd get just as much grief. The bombast is better suited to National Geographic than sprayed about at some digital climbers bonfire. I'm glad you did something here you're proud of. I hope you'll come back and climb some of the good stuff too, you'd find this site a great source of information, recommendations, and even climbing partners. No one here is going to deny you're fast and fit (though some may be able to keep up), but the "trifecta" is a wee bit like setting a blistering speed record for hiking up Longs, Pike, and Hallet via their trails: theoretically impressive yet hardly emblematic of climbing in Colorado.

Yeah, the City sucks Dru, you should never go there. I've heard that Chimney Rock and Elephants Perch are also chossy heaps, dim cinders next to the brilliance of Hope.

No, the lottery is just a tax on people who aren't too good at math.

Wednesday again, 6/22. I'll be out of town, but ya'll have fun now, ya hear?

Do I get to pick which one and take it out myself? Are you familiar with The Merchant of Venice?

No, I'd have to concur that Fairweather is right, the problem with impeachment and the current officeholder is that it's unlikely to happen.

PM a user here named Terminal Gravity. He hasn't been around much lately, so I don't know if you'll reach him, but he's local, experienced, and a great guy. Oh, and his beer (brewery of the same name) is just splendid.

Reading the description of how the rescue happened, I can't shake the idea that this very nearly was a thread about how a generous volunteer died trying to save a dog. At the end of his rope, wrestling with an 80 lb dog, hand over handing it up, and then jumaring with it in a butt bag? Bravo. I'm just glad that this story has a happy ending for all involved, it seems like the least likely outcome.

A liger. It's pretty much my favorite animal.

I haven't seen where they drove themselves between the peaks, I'm betting they had a driver and got to catch a little shuteye during the travel time. Isn't there something similar the Brits do over in their hills? I read something awhile back, some kind of endurance peakbagging event, it definitely involved other folks doing the driving. It makes sense too, if you bonk on the route, no big deal, but if you bonk while driving things get ugly. Remember: always go to bed before you go to sleep.

Things look great for this evening, 6/15.

lol! That's really funny after a beer.

Because that was no sausage!

Has it occurred to anyone else that Chaps has probably posted more here in the last week than in the last month back on the home board?

Only problem with Karma is that you don't get to watch them get their comeuppance.

Diesel soot has been implicated in artic melting, but not biodiesel, which produces significantly less particulate exhaust and no sulphur dioxide and at least 75% less carbon dioxide. It's a lot cleaner than petro-diesel. Are you just hippie fishing Fairweather? I can't imagine you'd actually be opposed to domestically produced alternative fuels that don't support hostile regimes abroad.