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You might be right Jens, there's an awful lot of new folks reading the board these last few days. In the past we've definitely confirmed that law enforcement and rangers of all sorts read this board. On a different note, people sometimes ask what it takes to get banned. Luke the Drifter provides a fine example, and he won't be posting again.

In case anyone missed it, a post in some other thread makes it clear that Badbill & company reconsidered their climbing plans and are not headed up Hood this weekend. It also sounds like he knows what he's doing on that hill.

All these, new to me this year, have seen heavy rotation of late: The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday (as if Springsteen remembered how to rock and actually did drugs) The Thermals - The Body, The Blood, The Machine (brilliant punk rock concept epistle about life under a christian cult) The Evens (Ian MacKaye and his girlfriend form a largely acoustic band that can travel in a small car) The Weakerthans - Reconstruction Site (Winnipeg band makes the most heart wrenchingly lovely album I've heard in a long time.)

Oh, I think we're done here. Question answered, so I'd appreciate it if ya'll would put away your knives and move along.

From Tony's site:

Okay, so no one has an answer that works for you. Hop to it then, please post a TR when you get back.

11,249 - 7,000 4,249 feet

Hoh man, way to dredge 'em up Red Nose.

Strap on the nitro, boys!

Yeah, there's nothing bureaucratic holding back the SAR folks, it's strictly the conditions. 23" of snow overnight, white out, and blowing up to a sustained 80 mph? It wouldn't take much to go from being a rescuer to needing a rescue. In good conditions Hood seems so moderate and friendly, so many people climb it, how hard can it be? I'll wager you could get a pretty good answer to that question right about now up there.

Interestingly enough, there's a current thread over on Supertaco that's somewhat related, a discussion around restoring/upgrading fixed hardware on Space Babble on Middle Cathedral in the Valley. For those unfamiliar, Space Babble is perhaps the crown jewel of run out Middle face climbing. The crux first pitch features sparse pin protection driven up into some marginal flakes. At question is how to upgrade the gear without destroying the flavor of the route, and Kevin Worral, one of the FA's, is quite involved in the discussion. If you want to check it out, the thread is "the road to space babble" and it bleeds over into several other threads.

I tried Rainier in the winter in 1979 just after I moved up here from California. It was, ummm, "educational." Ran into Yvon Chouinard in the Paradise lot who had just retreated from a ski attempt because there was too much snow.

Krav Maga is the discipline you seek.

I'm not always an officious twit, I just play one on the internet.

I wonder when this thread is going to show up on ABC?

Is it the fact of east coast climbers lost in the west that makes this such a national story? Is it that it follows so closely on the Kim family ordeal also in Oregon? Seems like this is getting much more attention than the usual rescue/accident incident. Which of course is not to suggest that it's ever less than a huge event to the friends and family of the folks involved, or that climbers are ever less than concerned when these things happen, it's just odd to have such a bright light so narrowly focused on our humble abode.

There were 37 people in the Oregon forum at 5:30am today.

Problem is that "kind word" or conversation is hard to address via written policy in a government agency. A site like this, which any number of visitors use as a planning tool, is as good a way to perform that service as any. The trick is being kind and tactful instead of the "you're gonna die you ignorant noob, go back to (fill in the blank)" attitude that folks sometimes adopt. To be fair, often as not, those from elsewhere do get treated with respect, as well as some very thoughtful responses to apparently inexperienced people posting questions (hiking to Camp Muir springs to mind as an example).

Damn Mark, that sounds as close to Alaskan as you can get in the lower 48. I guess that's the new normal for at least this winter season.

Hey all - we'll spawn the MLU discussion off as soon as we can (only one moderator in this forum), so in the meantime let's drop it, and if you respond to the thread make sure you reply to a post that's not linked to that topic, since it will all go in one long string. (ie, don't hit reply to this post or the one before it, but go back to The Jerk's last post) Thx.

Well, I think the arguments have all been presented, and at this point there's really no where to go with this thread except down the tubes, so I'm just going to lock it and let it float gently here in cyberspace for a bit. If anyone feels strongly that I've acted in error, send me a PM, I'm open to persuasion, I just don't want to see this sink into a sprayfest. Thanks for playing.

hmm, I'd assumed that was who he meant, but you're right, if the bolts are retro'd, then I think the person who put the bolts in has no special rights to consider.

Sad, but disturbingly accurate. Witness Iran's recent conference full of Holocaust deniers (including our own David Duke) to help support both their President's own denial and support their agenda that Israel doesn't deserve to exist and that the Jews brought it on themselves.

Traditionally, when you reach 1000 posts you get banned for a week.

And I ping-ponged it down to Spray based on the title alone.