Off_White

Yes, it's sad when someone walks all over their buddy just to try and pass themselves off as a Spraylord.

what's up Pink, did Kevbone make you feel insecure about your post count? huh

nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more! say no more!

Phil, it's so quaint that you think "homo" is an insult. I confess I've just been leading you on. I may be gay as the day is long, but I don't find narrow minded twits of either gender the least bit attractive. Okay, so now you know what punches my buttons: Bill O'Reilly, homophobes, and advocates for increased climbing regulation. Call this last week a Perfect Storm that has pushed me over the edge Into Thin Air.

Maybe you're just stirring the kettle, but yeah, I think it's that bad an idea. Who makes the call? What are their criteria? Who's going to enforce it? What will be the benefit? I can't think of any answers to those questions that will encourage me to embrace the concept.

Phil! Are you a homophobe? Well, I don't care, I'm going to fuck you anyway. No you're not. You might want to check with Steven Seagirlieguy, though. I heard he likes it rough. Gosh, I'm sorry, you led me to believe it was consensual. You're such a tease you big lug!

Phil! Are you a homophobe? Well, I don't care, I'm going to fuck you anyway.

Funny how Kevbone and Pink, who used to be sort of irritating, now seem like blessed members of the fold, eh?

Perhaps it's immoderate of me to suggest it, but I think that pillow biter should be face down with a red hot barb wire encrusted cattle brand shoved up his tender pink bunghole. Unless he likes that sort of thing.

Helprin wrote a climbing novel? That's gotta be worth checking out, thanks. Not Mentioned Yet: One Man's Mountains by Tom Patey. Perhaps the most enjoyable climbing writing by a Brit.

I don't know what the hell is going on, I just saw Olyclimber and he was wearing a white Elvis jumpsuit and some enormous shades. I feel like one of those guys in the backup band that they slip $10 to and push 'em out the back door.

Moderator Note: This thread is no longer about Phil Jones, if you want to post about Phillip or his "ideas" please head to the two threads in Spray. This is just about the original topic.

It takes a lot of colors to make a rainbow. sickie

brown nozer... Hey! It tickles when he blows smoke there. With you hoovering on the front I'm all taken care of. Thanks.

I've tried to get the Shini person to post here instead of that thread, I figure ya'll can use a new sub.

these men are hard men. they like their eggs hard boiled and their women hard hearted. they don't wear underwear they wear hardware these men are hard to believe (quoted from memory, author unrecalled from some Mountain Gazette from the mid 70's) What is all this blather about MLBs? Granted, I've only been climbing for 35 years so I still have a lot to learn, but I've never even heard of these silly things until this most recent missing climbers on Hood issue. Has the market in those "help, I've fallen and can't get up" emergency beacons for elders become so saturated that they've got to try and sell that shit to us also? Battery operated techno widgets are no substitute for skill, knowledge, judgement, and personal responsibility. Push button "help me Mr. Wizard" beacons can only supply a false sense of security to people who shouldn't be there in the first place. We all knew people who died in car accidents or from heart attacks, but no one is advocating for automotive proximity alarms or implanted cholesterol monitors. The decisions we all make every day, whether it's to back up that cam with another piece or to stay on my side of the double yellow line, have a direct impact on whether we live or die. If you're advocating for mandatory MLB's you either stand to profit from the situation or you're advocating a Nanny State that very few people would want to live in.

Hey, c'mon, at least I tried to turn that idea into a good flares for beer program.

Dale, your idea is essentially to drop garbage all over the mountain in the hopes that people no one has made visual contact with will find them and use them. Night time rescue is not an option. The only way this idea could be acceptable is if you secured sponsorship from an Oregon brewery and anyone who finds one of these packets can exchange them for a six pack of Terminal Gravity stout or some such.

Hey Woodsgirl: You live near the Tieton? Would you ever get tired of folks asking you what do you do for fun out there, do you have running water, what do you do with those sheep, and here's how I'd run your farm if I didn't have to live in Chicago? You've got moxie, and that's a huge plus. If you ever decide you want to stop being a spectator and go climbing on those crags in your neighborhood (and it's as good a place to learn as anywhere in the state) then you'd have a hard time doing better than hooking up with some of the raucous yahoos on this site. There are other more genteel approaches to climbing education, and guess what, a lot of those folks live here too and can point you in the right direction.

I can think of no better way to say "fuck off Pink, Joseph does have a sense of humor" than this. Actually, my thoughts have been running somewhat down this track, and I'm cogitating on an epistle and policy to separate the chaff from the wheat post mass media/public wahoo. I for one don't want to see this place try and compete with RC.com or NWHikers for tender sincerity in the grand scheme of things. Damned board upgrade still lacks a barfing graemlin.

Well, if I had to hazard a guess (and I don't), I'd say a blog is one persons perspective with an option for comments from the plebes, whereas starting topics here are open to anyone. This place has it's roots in an earlier bbs concept of (pre web) online communication, where someone "owns" it but content is "member" driven, as compared to the more soapbox blog "here's what I, the lord of this site think style. Can anyone expound on what personal opinions the owners of this site are, aside from freshiez are cool and chaos rules? Bulletin boards are more egalitarian/anarchy and Blogs are more dictatorial/narcissistic. In my opinion of course, ya'll are free to tell me to go gargle butt gravy.

Don't get your knickers in a twist Randy, you've been out in the formal dining room and you've just wandered into the basement rumpus room with the burnt cork ceilings and orange shag carpet.

We may pick up a few new regulars, but I'm guessing most will move on once the situation is resolved. Climbing just isn't that interesting if you're not involved in it, and once there's no need to be so considerate of the friends and family of the missing, folks here will not be so tolerant of louts prattling on about MLUs and such. "That" thread is sort of an anomalous thing that's merely hosted here, with some very good and patient input from a number of regulars. A big thanks to all of you folks who've been so helpful and polite. On another tack, there has also been great rebuttal to a number of wacked out suggestions and off base spray from the ill informed, not just with regard to silly magic beacons, but rescue costs, procedures, and the undesirability of more government regulation in climbing.

Damn, why don't you just tell the guy there's climbing on some kind of volcanic plug on the Washington side of the Columbia sort of near Portland. I bet Blowboarder has a noogie for you.

No Jens, I don't think you should delete the post, and this is a much more appropriate thread for such a discussion. My objection of Luke et. al.'s posts are most strenuously about the thread they're in and the friends, family, and media people who would read it and not have enough climbing experience to make their own assessment with regard to the validity of his claims. I do think the mountain closure is a bad thing, one that was quite likely influenced by the discussions here. Sure, most eyes are on the main Hood incident thread in the Oregon forum, but much of this sort of stuff will be widely read too. It's a good time to consider what one is saying. Sky, thanks for that observation, it's been rattling around in my head too.