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good to see the rockies haven't turned you into a pussy josh!

funny - i noticed the same thing today. i myself seldom have use for the stuff unless i'm pumped stupid, but most folks do seem use it even when they're sweating - odd. kinda like bitching'bout trash on the side of the road - truly fighting the tide... think i saw the peregrine's today, plus tree frogs and bats - very sweet

climbed this today w/ jeff - rocks still - found 2 tree frogs and a bat in cracks along the way...thanx again to the 3 saints for getting the beacon blazing 'gain!

wish i'd had that shit before doing the east ridge getaway the long way, in the rain...

i agree w/ alpinek - i made a stupid mistake and about 3 pages back i explained and apologized in full

yeah, do it and post it back here - i originally wanted to do that last weekend but the only partner i could find wasn't quite game...

well, i go to work in the morning, so it's not exactly a challenge to stay sober before then - smoking the night before leaves no residual hangover, unlike alcohol, which is very nice. people who are responsible wouldn't be smoking at work, unless it's a bullshit job that mandates it (like working as a chef, where's it's actually advantageous -mmmm, bacon....). the volume of consumption typical afterwork would vary greatly on the person, the pot, after work responsibilites, etc. the strongest effects last a short time, say an hour or so, and over months of use are notably blunted - becoming rather simple and innocous, like being hungry and well-humored. the length and severity of effect is nothing like alcohol - there's never anything like the total loss of physical and emotional control that comes w/ overconsumption of liquor, nor the destructive residual physical effects of booze that lasts for hours and sometimes days after a real bender - essentially it's a damned near harmless plant that makes you feel happy with life and close to your friends and family (and if that's not a threat to the safety of this world, i don't know what is )

anyone wanna celebrate the recent opening tomorrow? i'm dropping the fam off at the airport at 130 then wanna spend the whole afternoon/evening out there...

i'm filled w/ passions and interests, read voraciously, run and climb daily, take good care of my wife n' daughter, and generally enjoy the hell out of life while winning great praise and admiration at a professional job, and i frequently light up way more than 6 times a day - especially during summer when i don't work; i also abstain for months, even years, at a time when circumstances dictate, and don't feel in the least bit edgy or agitated when i do - i have a large number of friends who are exactly the same way, who - outside of that one particuliar law - are the very models of good citizens. i would again emphasis that my use is responsible and intelligent - i stay sober for things that mandate sobriety (most notably work) i think the problem w/ our loser friends who've thrown their lives away (and i too have known my share) is that they'd most likely have done so regardless of the legality and availabity of weed (and yet since they've done it w/ weed, that gets the infamy) - the world is awash w/ destructive substances, distractions and activities which are legal, many of which are pleasant and beneficial in moderation (video games, tv, sex, climbing,etc), but can destroy if engaged in excessively. to use another undoubtedly misapplied quotation: "the fault, dear brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves" the person who has lost motivation to live productively will find an infinite number of options to fritter away their apathetic hours, and to outlaw every one of those options is to rob the joy of life from those who are actually living it. it is certainly true that a person who's worked himself into a rut will be less probable to get out of that rut if they take up a bad, distracting habit - weed for example, which is illegal, or grand theft auto 3, which is not. i'm not proposing though that we outlaw the games...

the shield's perm bolted to the helmet - put it in after getting stitches in me forehead while dt'ing this winter (the day before the life insurance folks showed up for the physical too! might explain why i was considered "not desirable"). nice to have when aiding or in blowing snow too...

how many cops enforced prohibition in the 1920s? it was the widescale contempt for the volstead act, on the part of both citizens and cops, combined w/ the corruption of public officials that contempt inevitably led to, which eventually led to the (temporary) abandonment of the silly notion that the government should dictate what people can put in their bodies in this thread i have spoken on only one specific drug, and the only reason there's a huge undeground criminal network sullying its name is because it's illegal - i'm not talking of cocaine and heroin and the host of other drugs that clearly are addictive and destructive and are the main focus of the notorious crime-syndicates of which you speak. shit, how wierd is this world when a canuck from b.c. would be playing devil's advocate in a mary-jane conversation? the key, as an enforcer of law, in not enforcing stupid laws, is not telling the authorities above you exactly what you're doing. it's hardly a rarity - how many people on this board have cops let them slide on something, be it a speeding ticket, pissing in public (my favorite), etc. non-compliance is a powerful thing, especially when its non-flagrant - take the american south during reconstruction - they refused to cooperate, pretended to be in compliance with laws they quietly flouted, and eventually so wearied the north it quit the whole scene for the next 80 years.

there's plenty enough folks to argue w/ in my own country. those folks i'd care to know here already know who i am and what i do and it wouldn't take much research at all for you to figure it out either. every drug imaginable was legal in lincoln's time - i'm certain he'd have been amazed if he'd known that one day hemp would be illegal to grow in the usa, as it was a major cash-crop in his native kentucky i majored in government n' foreign affairs at the university of virginia - day one of my administrative law class began by debunking your commonly espoused myth and went on to provide countless examples of the executive branch's inevitable process of creating de facto law. surely you've heard of the communities that still have laws on the book outlawing riding on buses w/ goldfish, watering your lawn w/o shoes on, spitting on the sidewalk, etc? why are they still on the books? because the executive branch, the cops, haven't enforced them for so long (because they were inane to begin with) most folks even forgot those laws existed - the cops by their righteous inaction negated established law, and what kind of a fool would say they had done a bad thing by sparing little tommy his jail time for chewing cherry-flavored gum while in public building? if you truly believe that human's behaviors should be in lock-step w/ the legal whims of society, then i repeat again my belief that you and others like you would have fit right into the wehrmacht - you are pathologically unfit for democracy and deserve whatever tyranny befalls you.

enjoyed your TR and while climbing serp arete y-day i thought you might like to see what it looked like while looking back...

took an axe (very nice for the descent down aasgard too) - no cramps needed but expect to slip n' slide n' generally be pissed till hitting the flat snowfield over to the pass no snow barring the route up to the summit, but you could fill waterbottles at 2 places en route w/ snow if needed - it was quite cold y-day and i didn't even finish the liter i brought though.

joe, bill - you guys rock - i'll have to find jim to thank personally though as i know he don't trust these newfangled computers, but hell, he's the funnest to hang out w/ after climbing anyway! see you out there

“It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." - Abraham Lincoln

Climb: Dragontail-Serpentine Arete Date of Climb: 7/9/2005 Trip Report: climbing serp arete is coolest when you get the sharp end the whole way rain clouds granite = good i'd write more but i feel like a bilious, bibulous bastard at the moment - pix are better anyway dragontail in the rain colchuck at its best on friday bob on the pillar pitch summit cheese and granite-graced hands icebergs at ass-master pass mandatory enchantment area goat-picture (other mandatory goat-related pic already sent to old fraternity) besodden bivy before the big run out (gotta dig tennis-shoes on the descent off the back side of DT Gear Notes: .5-3 camelots & green alien handfullanutz 7 single n' 2 double slings (shoulda brought more of each) Approach Notes: mexican seafood moist, ponderous pencil-fucks littering the trail the whole way in

i thought about writing a long response for ya, senor legs, but then figured out you're just a damn ignorant fool and there'd be no point. i'd suggest getting an education and applying it to the real world before getting out of your polly-annish kiddie pool... you and the pope sound like you have something in common though

paul, show up anyway - i realized that you can of course free climb the dt lines we were going ot do anyway. ajm, you not braving the bums 'gain 2night?

man, i'm always thinking that...

you should show up anyway - either you'll find someone to rope up w/ or you can climb w/ us, using our tools and your rock shoes, if you're feet don't fit into my clown-sized boots or john's wee kicks.

beacon rocks is the best shit in the area, though its about 45 minutes from p-town. beacon, though as replete w/ hard climbs as all the other pdx crags, actually has quite a few easy climbs in the 5.7 range it won't open for another few weeks though

i don't think the meth-heads are using too much logic, barjor; i wouldn't have been surprised at all if they'd smashed my windows just like lani's on the off-chance they'd find something, if only the 24 cents in pennies in my ashtray. i conciously avoid leaving anything of value in my car at the butte too, but you kinda sound like you're telling a rape victim it's her fault for being hot

NOLSe and i are going to DT tonight, probably round 6 or so - my red piece o-shit mitisubishi mirage will be parked by the underpass by the bible-thumpers

i agree of course that we all have varying takes on definitions for sensible, but i don't think that makes it impossible for us to achieve a consensus definition that precludes a total prohibition of the on the grounds that it is unreasonable - we would afterall think a complete prohibition of video games inane, despite the fact that there are those we become so addicted to them that their health and welfare suffer and constitute a drag on society as a whole, because we can jointly agree that such games can and usually will be played under "sensible boundaries", i.e. not going to work or ever talking w/ our families in favor of playing. we can of course dither over the precise lines of the boundaries, but i doubt we disagree on the broad strokes of the divide as they're all outcome based (maintaining health and happiness, etc.)