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"come all you bold sea-faring men and listen to my song if you come off of them long trips, i'd have you's not go wrong take my advice, drink no strong drink, don't go sleeping w/ no whores get married lads, and have all night in, and you'll go to sea no more!"

I like you...you are too funny! I just have to respond to this... First off I was not trolling to stir things up. I was responding to ML's post slamming my trs...again . If addressing her post with the truth is stirring the pot then so be it. BTW I did post images from my trips in the past 2 weeks. Can I see yours? I love mountain porn! Second. Not sure what you mean by "gets any" but the way I interpret it, is you are talking about getting sex..?? Wow I have been getting some? New to me! I must have been passed out. I don't need to get some/any (sleep around)to climb. Thats not what it is about for me...what about you? Now if it "Gets any" means climbing...??? OH yeah getting lots of that several times a week! You? Third. I have been around here for several years just never posted much. I don't plan on leaving just because I post on other sites. This is a great site with many good folks and some of the best beta and TRs. I am sticking around. fourth. I want my mommy too... First, you are dumb as fucking snot. posting over here where there is a long history of bad blood between your site and this one, to beat up on someone who has history HERE, well that is just LAME. you are not here. you do not have history here because you do not post here. so fuck off. second, i never post TR's and there are many reasons for this. I don't climb that hard, and i don't climb so that other people can know what i do. i climb because i love it. if i take a camera it almost never sees the light of day because i am way to busy living in the moment. The only ONLY reasons to post a trip report in my never to be humble opinion is because you did something note worthy. leading your first 5.7 at vantage is bull shit and only means any thing to YOU. how self centered can you possibly be? so no you can't see my mountain porn. I would be more than happy to direct you to the nakid picture of me on the internet though because i do enjoy actual porn. and for the record i was out climbing 5.7's today and now i am going to get fucked so am am getting all kinds. I don't climb much during the week, because i have a successful career, spend time with my kids most every day and have 50% custody of them. I have a functioning co-parenting relationship with my ex husband, i have many friends, a multitude of hobbies and interests and a wonderful boyfriend and extended family. marylou had every right to post her opinion of someting she thought was lame, I happen to hold the same opinion. if you can't handle the idea of someone not thinking you are the cats kitty every time you clip a bolt or summit some moderate peak, don't post about it on the internet. no one obligated to be nice to you. PWD? posting while drunk? not that there's anything wrong w/ that...

like clubing a baby seal...

the whole world's turned against smoking in bars - even fawking france and ireland - truly a sign of impending armagedeon! i really only smoke when hanging out w/ people and drinking, so not being able to smoke there pretty much cuts me out of smoking period (well, layton'll tell you different - i smoke all his cigs when climbing, but that's just to slow me down like, so he can keep up and what-not ) i can live w/ not smoking in bars, though didn't that law kill cigar bars too? i'm not down w/ the particulars of the law, so don't know, but it seems entirely wrong to ban a person starting a business completely for smokers. a law creaating a more meaningful smoking/no-smoking section would have been better imho opinion too - that is, requiring the smoking section to be contained by walls/doors/glass, w/ its own ventilation system.

why do you keep on bringing up "mass marketing campaigns and media saturation?" folks have said a dozen times already that legalization of possesion and consumption would still be accompanied by restrictions in marketing, just as w/ tobacco and alcohol now. people have already sued the holy-hell out of the tobacco companies and forced them to change their behaviors, this kind of pressure would clearly effect coke/pot/meth/etc companies as well. i'm sure uncle sam would require money made on drug sales to be reinvested at least in part in anti-drug adds, just like w/ tobacco today. speaking of tobacco, what worries me currently is the drift of arguments like yours is leading towards the outlawing of that drug too - the militant sheep of sam's flock would accept that too.

yeah, the big guy gonna put his TR up on here? made for some real fine reading...pictures would make it perfect.

i need to climb w/ this fool then - nothing chews up a long approach hike faster than a bard-fest, we could tag-team stanzas! - and no matter how much of that poem i burn into my brain, there alwasy seems to be a thousand more lines to learn...

glad i'm not the only mutant we both seem to dig on our kids plenty now that they're older too

"so, the spear-danes in days gone by, and the kings who ruled them, had courage and greatness...."

it's one of my very few talents shall i recite a few thousand lines of "beowulf" as an encore? well - 2:52 - it's quitting time!

you misunderstood - i knew what the volstead act said w/o consulting wikipedia - i asked if you thought consumption would have been less if the act had been written to deny possesion or consumption too the problem w/ the pendulum of course is there's a lot more than one pendulum swinging - in the end, i think it's probably for the good - that whole philosophy of "there's no good if there's no evil" - a brief period of prohibition makes the good times of today all the more pleasant - it will be a thousand times so when the long night of pot-prohibition goes the way of the dodo

i didn't say social pressures always work to prevent us from indulging in drug use - of course they can promote it to. the usa has shown a long and predictable series of social fluctuations, mostly revolving around the holy-rollers getting their jesus-on after periods of binging - the volstead act was a legal flowering of that social trend towards fundementalism in the 1920s that also gave us the scopes-monkey trial. as one part of society got religion-crazy, another part moved exactly away from it (and were probably pretty pissed that their booze couldn't come along for the ride)

That's b/c the consumption and possession of alcohol was not illegal under prohibition laws. so you think, if the volstead act had been written differently, fewer folks would have been drinking if the g-men were busting both the speak-easy owners AND customers? yeah - not much i'd bet. and if it had, prohibition would have died even faster

"babies! the other, other white-meat!"

ahhh - you can alwasy count on a drug-thread to get to at least 5 pages! so jah, justin doesn't seem to be disagreeing that much w/ anyboyd - he's for decriminalization, a first step i'll settle for. where are the ultra-crazy fucks in this thread? have they floated off to join a pro-life rally or something? consumption of alcohol didn't seem to radically change before, during or after prohibition so i'd assume it'll be pretty similiar for the other drugs - social pressures, not legal ones, do the most to constrain our drug habits

NO PRISONERS!!!!!!!!

humans=chimps? brilliant! chimps throw poop, too! ummmm...yeahhhh...i don't think so and yes, i have children and no, i never felt the urge to cook them humans and chimps are genetically damn near identical to one another, so it wouldn't be suprising to find common conditions and behaviors between the two - hell, if i never threw my own poo at someone when i was in college it was probably because i was too sodden to figure out how to do it congrats on never having felt the urge to harm your kids - as i said, i don't think it's something many folks can comprehend - i, on the other hand can, b/c i have felt that way - perhaps i'm just less evolved though?

i have sympathy for the folks involved in these kinds of stories, which seem to appear pretty frequently. infants are fucking tough to handle for even normal people. some folks (and i think i'm part of this group) have an extraordinarily nasty reaction to the screaming and tension tiny babies are constantly emmiting - i think it produces something almost like temporary insanity, an irrational need to escape or destroy the source. i felt very humbled and depressed by my natural reactions to my infant children, scared at how hard it was to fight the instinct to hurt them. i had to learn to monitor myself, to realize when i was losing control, and then to just get the hell out of the room or the house, to put a safe distance between myself. this sort of thing isn't unique to humans either, folks who study primates have documented that male chimps often murder their own and others babies. not to say for a second i condone what this numbnuts did, and obviously people who do sick shit like this have to be fried for it - i just feel sympathy - they might still have become good parents, if only they could have gotten through the initial shitty part, if only nature had gifted them w/ a more nurturing instinct... edited to add - to be sure, happily, at around 12 months for both of my kids, the insanity just fell away - at the point infants become humans, w/ personalities - as they "grow on you" and as their demands become easier to comprehend and fulfill, the night turns to day and i'm done w/ babies forever!

now that's fucking funny

justin doesn't seem that unreasonable - he seems willing to consider the legalization of pot at least - i'd like to think any reasonable man can be swayed by the logic of an argument - or have i missed some history of bad blood?

a fun route through early summer - i'm sure it's great right now walk up the trail to cloud-cap - camp there or further up just below the snow dome - do the route the next day - descend the same or go down the cooper spur for an enchainment kinda thing - you can easily link the snow off the spur back down to the elliot

we're kinda mincing words here - when i said "there are 2 responses" i meant there are 2 COMMON responses - ya know, the ones cats show when they're freaked out? once we embrace our fear, we lose it - i'm not really scared by exposure when soloing once i've gotten over a few momentary flashes - what i love then is having beaten my fear into submission, that is, having fought it and won.

I am not sure what your question here is. The FTC regulates marketing rules in all industries. So when it comes to drugs, the FTC watches claims no matter what. EVen the supplement and vitamin industry, which is not regulated by the FDA, is still regulated by the FTC. THis is not likely to change, so I am not sure what the concern we are talking about here is. the concern has shown up on several pages in this thread that legalizing drugs like pot and coke will lead to big business comercializing and promoting them through marketing - i was just saying that i don't think that's such a big concern, but there are already precedents for controlling that i kinda like the potential adds for marlboro blues or camel greens

our government currently has rules restricting the marketing of drugs like alcohol and tobacco - why wouldn't these other drugs that should be legalized by subject to similiar restrictions?

when i can't get my recreational drugs, i want to murder someone