ivan

looks like the sign's from the same era as the one thats bolted *directly into the tree* down by the west face

does this have anything to do w/ our newly revamped cc.com logo? or have i just not noticed the big ass dot-fawking-com thang till now?

the Poles call them pierogis. never will forget the day i learned to make the pierogis - was listening to clinton's impeachment preceeding for the hours it took to make damn near a thousand of those tasty bastards!

okay - i've finished the article - i'm not quite certain what to make of its contradiction that a) carter is irrelevant and powerless and yet b) he is somehow a great threat what is the great machiavellian motivation you suspect drives him? the article seems to suggest its some sad desire to be remembered well? couldn't he just be another one of you door-knob christians, actually taking the whole "get along w/ your neighbors" thing too seriously instead of busily advocating the avarices of and imitating the evils of ceaser as you seem so much more often to do? the article seems to take glee in noting carter's courting of despotic communist states - as if that was some sort of aberration from our nation's ubiqitious tendency to belly up to bastards. can you think of a post ww2 president, conservative or liberal, who wasn't in bed with a monster? carter did at least seem less enthusiastic for the south africans...and he didn't suck up to shit-heads by attending their olympic games when they were making a mockery of its meaning. so are you just saying carter should be labeled a traitor, or are you saying he should be prosecuted for committing treason? the former is lame, the latter is insane. mostly i don't understand why you give a shit what carter does, especially when you say he's having no effect - who cares? the current state of relations between palestine and israel can get no worse - so what the fuck does it matter if some far-out old man feels like blowign sunshine up some towel-heads' ass? there's a reason why the alien and sedition and logan acts have been ignored for 2 centuries - it's retarded to throw the 1st amendment out the window just b/c someone doesn't agree w/ the current regime's viewpoint or course of action

apparently not come on, what carter is doing is NOT treason. treason is selling nuclear secrets to the bad guys, putting on their uniform, killing your fellow countrymen w/ your own hands, etc.

Let me guess Ivan!?!?!?! I was not commenting on your comments regarding the word "Sedition." I was commenting on your take that Carter was a man who dislikes all-powerful/despotic gooverments. Perhaps the definition of "Sedition" is taking up the place in your brain where reading comprehension should be? ah, in that case we simple have a misunderstanding - i was referring to KK, not carter (kk being a strong anti-communist, and communist nations being very quick to identify political opponents as "enemies of the state" and their writings as "sedition"). i thought that he would be opposed to engaging in the same sort of tyranny. am i the only history teacher to remember the low opinion the "alien and sedition act" occupies in american history? and how interesting, the logan act that the commentary piece deplores carter for violating was created by the same administration? shame, the hbo movie made adams seem like such a nice guy...

it seems strange that a man who dislikes all-powerful/despotic governments would use a word such monstrosities are so prone themselves to use I hope you teach PE........ still busy reading the commentary article, which is enjoyable in that i don't have an exhaustive knowledge of carter and enjoy hearing different takes on historical characters... still, checked by after page 2 to see how things were developing and feel compelled to issue my first, sincere "fuck you" to you, pete-y. fucking moron. what fucking gym teacher knows what the word "sedition" means? as i've said in the past, using words like "sedition" and "traitor" to describe people you have a difference of opinion on is horse-shit. those words meanings are diluted and destroyed when used for partisan bickering - save them for the times they're appropriate - for the aaron burrs, benedict arnolds and edumund ruffins. carter is trying to destroy the constitution? sell america to the martians? whatever. paranoid asshole.

really? so, carter is trying to overthrow the current regime?

it seems strange that a man who dislikes all-powerful/despotic governments would use a word such monstrosities are so prone themselves to use

an open mind is a brain-surgeon's delight?

exactly - unless we're friends and it's cool and i'm like "dude, i'll just sit here n'drink whiskey 'til you get back"

this guy must be a mountie - any other fun-loving type would have a big shit-eating grin on...

can't argue w/ that - but then, where is a good place? this thread has a much better chance of avoiding the mt hood debacle-style degeneration though b/c it wasn't spawned by a monstrous wave of publicity

do you get cell reception there? most places in the n cascades you don't. was the phone functional? if you don't keep the battery warm, they often don't work. i don't know that i would have called in a rescue so quickly either, especially if hadn't heard or seen anything that made me think he'd been hurt. how well did these two guys know each other? how often had they climbed together? how experienced were they? how well did they tend to communicate? if they were mostly acquantinces who didn't understand each other well, the partner might have thought he was taking another way down, or been confused as to what exactly he had wanted from him? under what circumstances did they split up anyhow? it's pretty unusual for one partner to leave the other in the first place, and indicative perhaps of them not getting along - if i choose to continue when a friend of mine didn't want to, i certainly wouldn't expect him to sit aroudn in the freezing cold while i was off having fun. i'm confused as to what the partner did when he got down. it seems like S&R folks were notified pretty quickly? if he'd gone out to the bar, gone to sleep, woken up the next day and not said a thing till noon, that would clearly have been retarded. i guess the bottom line is the question of "why didn't he call before going down" is very, very hard to answer w/o having clear answers to a lot of other questions. as an expereinced climber, it's not difficult for me to see an answer to your original question that doesn't involve fear or incompetence on the part of the partner. what else do you know of his partner?

i tried copying the cascade crazy boys w/ their damned tennies when i first got out here - after repeatedly practically breaking my ankles on approaches, i figured i'm much better off always wearing my trangos - they're as light as boots get, and can easily climb technical rock to 5.8 or so, so they earn their keep

i like the routes where you can't tell the differences between the holds marked w/ chalk and the ones covered in bird shit

link shouldn't someone have already chimed in to tell us why this is another of Carter's screaming failures?

Yeah well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man...

one does not reason w/ the whirlwind

we didn't have totally retarded threads back in 2-double-ought-6? where are the snowdens of yester-year?

420's jumped the shark when the goddamn squares know about it!

but the beauty of j-berg is the 10 minute approach!

israel must be allowed to exist, but it has no more right to the land than anyone else - they were hardly the original inhabitants and lost their claim fair n' square, just like the american injuns and a gazallion other aboroginal people who failed to withstand the onslaught of more powerful empires - if we all went back to where our ancestors came from, we'd all be in africa, and that place is fawked!

what a super fawking saturday! and i even crossed paths w/ bill whilst deeply engrossed in his gardening! did "meth rage" at the o-o-o-o-gawd-zone! what fun...if you like 5.8 climbing and sketchy, sketchy pro! superb return of the jedi forest views though....how i wish i was strong enough to take on the .11s i the area - geoff and i am managed to get to the 4th bolt on the upper part of route 66, but alas, white boys must bow out after that... the bone-zone rawks all!

this might explain why they get paid so much more than the patriotic boys who signed up for the junior varsity program, eh?