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word. oh, and "screws working on hood?" ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha! don't fall seriously

bill, i don't have yer vermin hook, though i would like one - dunno what happened w/ it, nor do i remember even carrying it - can i blame larry? pink - uh - what? i musta missed something on page 1?

simon totally did the right thing - the fewer british bastards in this world the better!

have you done the 2nd pitch of wrong gull at beacon, esse? it's supposed to be valley 10c and it's turned out to be the only beacon route i've tried so far that i could even CHEAT my way up (that said, if you get desperate like i did after 2 30 footers, you can find a way to bail out into a thin crack halfway up that gets you to the belay below the 2 pins on right gull.

As you, typically, stoop to pejoratives and ad hominem in all your arguments, it's clear who in personal practice is fallaciously duped and without grasp of his own assertion. carry on it may well be that tvash is a scumbag, but the truth of the statement: "To dehumanize and oversimplify one's adversaries...is to be a dupe of the oldest and more overused state propaganda trick in the book" is undeniable as any slope, dink, jap, jerry, redman or chink could tell you.

i once covered a uhaul worth of rotten, 98% maggoty trash w/ gasoline once and set it all on fire - perhasp the nastiest shit imaginable - after 2 minutes of burning the 500 lbs of maggots turned into a pure white fluid that ran into the gutters, still burning and sizzling and bubbling

'twas the middle of fry'n'hot july and there was not a soul in sight, but drunken google'n' last night plainly showed we were not at the proper start - unfortunately we blew the short window of time we had to get on route before the solar-destructor forced us to flee

i only climb in the best place to climb in oregon - i actually live n' work in warshington

i don't understand how we fucked snake dike up - i still dont' understand if we were at the right start or what - whatever the hell we tried to get off the ground doing sure as hell dind't feel right

perhaps you should turn your aramaic translator off too? i'm only celibate when i'm oregon, which is rare.

second 35 of the following oughta please you then - strange that she hates fruits, but likes fruit pies? [video:youtube]

wait, you're counting hte blow-up doll as a person now, or is that the royal we?

also, if we'd be willing to surrender on this dumb ass war on drugs thing too, we'd be able to cut the financial legs out from under the bad-guys, but jeebus (howdy kk!) is all we need for pain n' boredom, not opioum, so too bad...

it might be true that its hopeless now, but i bet we could have made it work in 2002 if we'd been willing to put the level of resources in that we used instead on satan hussein - if we'd rolled the dice and come up w/ a 1 in a million statesman like gandhi it coulda gone too, but the hand we're holding now is plainly a loser so let's fold and go get a late dinner n' a fancy drink, eh?

you sound like you're planning on climbing the wrong coast's mt washington? for taht in winter you'll want the full-on himalayan kit - goggles, balaclava, 2nd hat, down mitts, fleece gloves, expeition long underwear top'n'bottom, goretex shells top n' bottom, fleece sweater, 8000 meter style down parka, plus plastic boots n' gaitors. no recs on puff jacket, just make it long on you and affordable - a gps and/or alti watch is critical for washington, where the visilbity is often 10 feet oh yeah, and it goes w/o saying, watch for avi conditions - plenty of folks killed on that hill.

i don't actually know jay's take on afghanistan but i'd like to hear it - he's obviously a very logical guy pat (speaking of "pat answers" ), but as you say, mcnamara was able to give voice to the problems of logic vs emotion near the end of his life - afghanistan certainly feels wrong to me - how does it feel to you jay? I supported the invasion and our efforts to kill all members of Al Queda present there, displace the Taliban, and establish a civil framework that the population could at the very least have a chance to use to construct a government upon that was substantially less primitive, backwards, and barbarous than the Taliban. I don't think that it will be possible to turn Afghanistan into anything remotely resembling a modern, prosperous, stable democracy so we'll probably have to settle for something far less than that, call it good, and disengage while retaining the capacity to attack and kill Al-Queda or whoever else shares their goals and tactics when the opportunity to do so arises. Something more ambitious might have been possible in other circumstances, and with less feckless and uncommitted allies and more partners like Canada and the UK, but that's clearly not in the cards at this point unless the Afghans themselves make it so. i can't imagine tvash's position being much different - i for one wouldn't blame a thing on our allies, who were far more supportive of this endeavor then iraq, which we blew our wad on to the detriment of afghan. afghan prior to 9/11 was simply a training ground, and it coulda just as easily been somalia or a # of other shitholes across the world - as far as "settling and calling it good" there's no time like the present - this most recent afghan election makes it clear we're shackling ourselves to a corpse, just like in vietnam, so let's get the fuck out of there simulatenous to exiting iraq - cut the support for both places, cut the defense budget too then let's start working on this debt and more important domestic priorities!

i don't actually know jay's take on afghanistan but i'd like to hear it - he's obviously a very logical guy pat (speaking of "pat answers" ), but as you say, mcnamara was able to give voice to the problems of logic vs emotion near the end of his life - afghanistan certainly feels wrong to me - how does it feel to you jay?

dunno 'bout you but at the moment i'm hoping to climb the turkey monster and the picnic lunch wall routes 'fore dec 21 - getting a run up the n face of hood, now that the road up, is high on the list too. if you're peak bagging, and i assume then looking for easy routes, most of the peaks in the enchantments will serve for fall, and in winter hood will work well.

Given that there's no religious motives or sanctions in play here whatsoever, and that tactical/secular imperatives are the only thing that matters, it stands to reason that the representation of Arab Christians, Jews, and secularists of all stripes amongst the folks detonating themselves in order to advance a particular goal or agenda must be commensurate with their representation in the various societies that generate suicide bombers. I'm sure that there are statistics out there that reflect that. It's also strange that they've so often chosen to detonate themselves amongst fellow Arabs and Muslims with such regularity, much less that the overwhelming military superiority enjoyed by civilians in markets, on passenger trains, in civilian aircraft, in Mosques, pre-schools, etc would compel them to employ this tactic in those locales. I think that you are off the mark in condemning Americans for entirely lacking this level of commitment and "heart." Timothy McVeigh, for example, had at least 50% or more of the "sacrifice and heart that these people demonstrate," so if you're going to praise suicide bombers for the many virtues that they embody, you're remiss in sparing him an equal measure of praise. So, when you have a spare moment I hope that you'll employ the same logic, and fire up the keyboard on his behalf. jay, no judgemnt in it at all, but goddamn you can TALK like mcnamara!

"let us try to remember the names of all the sudbury boys who so gallantly gave their lives to keep china british!" [video:youtube]

the sad thing is we DO have a fair # of such people, but we're wasting them on this bullshit - THEY are the ones who are dying. this war in afghanistan is not making us a bit safer, but rather sapping a strength that would better be saved for more worthwhile things.

Wow your right...civilian killing, radical islamic terrorists=good, big, bad imperialistic america=bad...everything makes sense now uh, waht? i may not have gotten a 800 on the verbal section of the sat, but i don't see how the former equals the later. your powers of perception maybe superior to my own though

dude, have you like, not played call of duty 4? clearly a spectre - flies in big giant circles w/ lots of cameras and varying sizes of cannons i wouldn't classify this as hilarious - these guys manage to get plenty in the ground w/o incident and are certainly getting their fair share of corpses piled up on our side - hear the story of our most recent medal of honor winner? was it funny when he died saving a guy who died just a few minutes later, along w/ a medic, when the cable on the rescue'copter parted 1000 feet off the ground?- what would be hilarious is to hear some fool explain what goal of ours in afghanistan is likely to be achievable, and how many americans should die in a quixotic crusade to stabilize a land that has proven itself ungovernable since before the time of alexander the great.

you n' rick were roll'n in the the finest style i perhaps seen steve! i gotz ta catch up w/ ya'll ont he ledge someday what were you doing yday? was thinking of going aiding sunday...

dude, i'm a CONFIRMED catholic - jeebus runs silly through my veins! i suffered through more than 500 masses before i turned 18 and can still recite the whole damn thing from memory, so my entry into the holy hearafter is assured! what's it make you wonder?