sexual_chocolate

quote: Originally posted by Retrosaurus: quote:Originally posted by richard noggin: Big talk from a guy that goes around removeing hangers and chopp'in other climbers routes Pretty socially irresponsible if you ask me I have never stolen hangers. I think what you mean is removing bolts from irresponsibly bolted routes. A socially responsible act. Goddamm I'm starting to bore myself. I've got an opinion on everything. Yay, internet! So, this one is this: I firmly believe that the removal of bolts is necessary when previously trad-only routes get bolted. I think specifically of Cunning Stunt at Index, and that steep slab left of Jello Tower at Castle. It's sad to me when the original integrity of a route is desecrated, never again to be enjoyed in the style of the first ascensionist. This robs the first ascensionist of his/her accomplishment, and it removes the awe and respect that future ascensionists and hopefuls might feel when contemplating the route. Try and go bolt gritstone, some of ya! My opinion is in no way an endorsement of Retrosaurus, who continues to baffle me with his feckless feckisms. Retro, go hump some fossils.

Didn't you guys look at the REI pinnacle?

But, I also must say that my feelings are affected by the encounters I've had with management there. I wasn't able to use my punch-card in the allotted 3 months or whatever (traveling), and they wouldn't honor the last two punches. Called for a friend who works there, the manager was ill-tempered and refused to let me speak to him (never even passed the message along). At times, a general unwillingness to makes things fair. Plus, what, 16 or 18 to climb on the weekend? Sheeit. Force a membership down ones throat! I know I know, boo hoo boo hoo, but hey, that's where I'm at! And now, I'm done with this topic!

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: One could argue they might get some new customers in the long run. And that's the whole problem I have with VW; the strategizing. Yeah, let's provide something for the community, so that WE can profit in the end. Shit, it's corporate culture, and it's taking over the friggin' minds of everyone! And now the peeps make excuses for them!

Yes, I think there is the possibility of running a business without money always being the bottom line. One might do it to provide a service to the community, for example, because they care about people, about climbing, etc.. A dated ideal? And is $15 a day too much? (More on weekends?) Stone Gardens charges $12 a day, $9 for students. Still expensive, but cheaper, and students get a break, which is cool. Also, A yearly EFT membership is like $24 a month, last time I checked. WAY cheaper. Plus, they don't give you grief if you weren't able to use your punch-card in the allotted time-frame (never did understand that one ). VW has always been solely a business venture for the fellow I mentioned, and it shows! I'd personally rather not climb at the GAP. And when these feelings of mine encounter this promo deal on 9/11, I guess I get a little hot under the collar. Hey, but that's what a deep breath is for! Yoga in action! [ 09-05-2002, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: sexual chocolate ]

BTW, I'm unfortunately quite familiar with VW's history, and I think the egregiously high $15 a day is more proof as to what their motivations are.... Rich wants to be....his namesake.

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: quote:Originally posted by Chepe: It's really nothing but a shame that the incident happened last September. What the other shame is that Vertical World has figured out a way to make money from it when the hordes come in and rent gear. I'd rather climb for 10$ without such hoopla surrounding the place anyway. it's $15, and you have a pretty fucked-up view about vw and their intentions. you probably think it's a shame that car dealerships let you test drive their cars for free, too, eh? Well, most car dealerships wouldn't sell too many cars without a test drive, eh? Is this the VW logic?

Aw, come on!

quote: Originally posted by mr.radon: [QB]No, but it does bring smiles to the faces of kids and is a great tool to pick up chicks. QB] How do the "chicks" respond to your "disability"?

Sorry man, I suck. I got no jokes oh wait, here's one: So this horse goes into a bar, sits down and orders a beer. Bartender comes up to him and asks: "So why the long face?"

Here's another one: Why does it always rain in Seattle? Give up?

Hell No! Don't ruin it!

Which one????

I laugh! I laugh uncontrollably! Fucking Nascar!!

I hope nobody else pays, either! This is an outrage!

I won't pay, goddamnit!

I doubt I can post a single riddle without somebody ruining it for everybody else, but here goes.... What goes 99 clump, 99 clump, 99 clump?

Shit, ScottP, way to ruin it for everybody else, man. Congratulations, dude.

Oh, I got an apartment for rent. Basement, really cool. Cheap.

Actually, I have a basement apt. for rent. 1 or 2 bedroom, probably a kitchen too. Cheap!

What do you call a quadraplegic in a pile of leaves?

Shoot. I can't keep up. I'll just cheer now. GO!

Dang, I was late! Good response, 666. RuMR?

RuMR, it is clearly 666's turn to speak. Please, WAIT YOUR TURN!

You guys rock! Well, 666? Your response? RuMR is waiting, the WORLD is waiting!