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quote: Originally posted by Gary Yngve: quote:Originally posted by Peter Puget: Wow! Courtenay your site is really nice. Lots of good info. Like the 6/1 6/1 6/1 pullup scheme. I need to find a better way to strap weights to me. A few years ago, I put a 30 lb weight into a daypack and jumped for the pullup bar. The zipper instantly ripped and the weight came crashing to the ground, as everyone in the gym turned to look at me... You can buy a weight vest. Everlast makes a good one that packs on 40 lbs. You can climb in it comfortably. Mine might be for sale....

"This is for you, too, SC. Under the terms of surrender after Desert Storm, Saddam agreed to unrestricted UN weapons inspections; he repeatedly thwarted those inspections." Now what's this that I heard about the US weapons inspector doing a little extra-curricular intelligence gathering while on the hunt for weapons and production facilities? Taking coordinates that were then used on a subsequent bombing run? You heard about that?

quote: Originally posted by iain: quote:Originally posted by sexual chocolate: behaviour What is this, Cambridge? Oh, and next you'll be in favor of ebonics, right?

"Haven't you figured out that diplomacy doesn't work with this guy? How do you practice diplomacy with a pathological liar? Okay, I'm not in a position to certify Saddam as pathological. However, he has proven that we cannot take him at his word; diplomacy relies on a certain amount of trust that both parties will honor what is agreed to." So can you tell me what you found deceitful in Saddam's behaviour? Just curious....

"Shrapnel from the bombs damages too much meat, Matt" But not too many civilians....

quote: Originally posted by russki82: [QB]Christ, do you think I'm a COMPLETE idiot??[QB] Yes, dammit. No one deserves to be shot at, sicko.

quote: Originally posted by russki82: [QB]Christ, do you think I'm a COMPLETE idiot??[QB] Yes, dammit. No one deserves to be shot at, sicko.

let's meet at Neighbor's and go dancing, fuckers. I'll show you what it's all about.

I may be a motherfucker, but I ain't no chicken fucker, fucker. And don't call me Poo boy, shitbrain.

I think soloing is a good place to start. It's a good way to get over the fears that many have while climbing. That's what I always do at least, my two cents. [ 09-26-2002, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: sexual chocolate ]

"No worries doc, you've always exhibited courtesy and I appreciate that..." Good Dog, Doc, are you gonna let 'im get away with that?!?!?

It's not that you have a view and try to support it, it's the tenacious quality of your arguments. It's as if there is no room to breathe! You are seemingly so intent on discrediting any opposing viewpoint that you'll hammer away with no pause, and then when you concede a point, or agree that maybe your viewpoint isn't error-proof, it seems to carry with it such recalcitrance and pompous piety (oxymoron?)! It isn't always about what's being argued about, know what I mean? And yes, you're a smart guy, but realize that you might be wrong sometimes. Humbleness and humility can be wonderful qualities....

Good dog, you are tenacious! Your impersonation of a sophist chihuaha is incredibly convincing, yet your self-serving (complement?!?!?) slipperiness and wearisome rhetoric which you think passes for intelligent debate has become *COMPLETELY* transparent. I doubt you will ever convince yourself of your own intelligence. If you're trying, perhaps be a little less *rigid*.

"I finnally realized that I was takeing it all too seriously." Really? I'm wondering.... Hey I'm not meaning to be an ass here, but here's the way I see it: you felt badly about some advice you gave, you didn't want to feel badly (human nature), couldn't really make sense of it so you opened it up for peer review, got some feedback you liked, some you didn't like, chose to go with the one you liked, and presto, you allevaited some uncertainty and could now go on with a clean conscience. What would you say if the poor bloke followed your "advice" and fell to his death? I mean, it's not like you were telling him/her to take a walk in the park, or to go climbing after getting proper instructions. Your advice carried a clear message, hard to misunderstand: "maybe try soloing." My advice: Soloing is incredibly dangerous! It is not advisable therapy for hypsiphobia! It can kill you! It's a shitty way to die! It can kill you faster than simply getting near TG's ass!

Damn. Almost 3 hours has gone by since Mtgoat's last post on such a contentious topic. How unlike him, not getting the immediate *last word*.

quote: Originally posted by Terminal Gravity: I'm glad you piped up, Shakey. Your views were exactly those that I hoped would be the prevalent ones. I can't say why, but when I read your initial post I was pretty sure you had a depth of experience and felt that my view might be worth the read for you. I also assume that you and everyone else on this board (unless they profess otherwise) are responsible for their own decisions in the mountains. That is clearly the way it should be. Cheers. I thought by the tone of your initial post, you were having some misgivings and/or doubts about previous advice you had given. This post makes it seem as though you knew all along how you really felt, or at least how you WANTED to feel. I personally feel it's kinda lame to throw anything out there, irregardless of possible outcomes, and then try to act innocent, implying everything is really the other person's responsibility. Well, in the end it is, but we're ALL responsible for what we do, and that includes giving dangerous advice. And yes, advising someone to go soloing is dangerous advice. I've soloed alot, but would never recommend it to someone I don't know, especially the context in which the advice was offered. Just my opinion, for which you asked for.

"Anyone know how long those routes were in place prior to getting chopped? Has the installation/chopping cycle been repeated before?" The easier route was there for 3 or 4 years, the harder one about 2, I think. Too bad about the removal; they were really fun. And this was the first time chopped. Maybe someone would like to put in a bunch of monos and bis? Just an idea....

"You know what? I give advice to people who I know are going out with other people. Giving advice to someone who is soloing or going out with other people is NO DIFFFERENCE. Advocating soloing is just as dangerous as advocating to go out and climb Liberty Bell with the Mountaineers. Climbing is dangerous no matter what you do. Even the standard route on Rainier with a guide. Either solo or with a group. I bet each and every one of you has given advice to someone." I've never climbed with the Mountaineers, but maybe you have a point there. Maybe I'll add that to my list: Don't advocate climbing with the Mountaineers! "Fuck. While we're on it. My aunt gives advice to her daughter for raising her two grandchildren. And guess what? The daughter is raising the two grandchildren SOLO. I Guess that's irresponsible!!!!!!!!! " Gee. Changing diapers, or soloing, say, Orbit (which I've done). Unless the kid's got aerosolized E. Coli coming out her ass, I think many would think a little diaper change to be SAFER!

Consider: would you really want someone following the advice that you're giving? I think advocating free soloing verges on irresponsibility, IMO. I've done a bit of soloing, sometimes getting myself in situations that I now feel fortunate to have come out of alive. I doubt I did this because someone advocated soloing, but regardless, I'd never advocate something so inherently dangerous. I think I'd be a bit horrified if someone died due to my "advice". So what are these "wacky" training principles you've used for years, ropegun? I promise I won't laugh, unless they've only taken you to 12d, after years of application!

quote: Originally posted by Jens: PS Anybody seen Alain Robert's website? That guy's got some nuts the size of watermelons. He HAD large nuts. This was the result of brain migration. They are actually quite small now, since he is dead and his balls have rotted off.

In '73, Eddy Merckx won both the Giro D'Italia AND the Vuelta de Espana, but didn't compete in the Tour de France. In '69, '70, '72, and '74, he won both the Giro and the Tour de France (in '73, he didn't race in the Tour). What a bad time to be a cyclist, unless your name was Eddy Merckx. In '72, he set a new 1 hour time trial record, which lasted over a decade. In this age of specialization, his times for stages and such are being topped, but it's highly doubtful that there will ever be a cyclist approaching his domination of the sport.

Was Lance pacing him? It seems as though he owes him one....

"semi-literate typo-plauged..." No one is immune....

I appreciate your post, and your opinions, and I think you present the complexity of the situation well. I find myself frustrated at times, thinking about some of the particulars, and the extremes that are represented by the different groups involved. I also think we need to be careful as we think about these things, and try to understand how and why there might be so much anger directed at us, specifically. Could it be because the average middle-easterner feels powerless within their political structures, and then sees US officials shaking hands with their oppressors (the Sauds)? Or the historical alliance the US has had with Israel, always favoring them in any dispute within the region (and arming them to the teeth, with equipment then used to kill arabs)? Perhaps it's the talk of Democracy, but then no such talk when it serves our interests, such as the support of Musharref, a military dictator, or the Sauds again, or the tacit approval of an overthrow of a DEMOCRATICALLY elected president, Hugo Chavez? (The list is long for this one! You know this too. I'll just list a couple.) We can't gain too much respect with tactics like this, don't you think? Seriously please, answer this one. None of this excuses any acts that have been directed towards us, but I think it goes a long way towards explaining them! BTW, I read a really interesting stat recently: During the early 90's (between 91 and 94, if I remember right), when such great efforts were made by both sides (Israel and Palestine) in the middle east, when humility and decency replaced anger and hyperbole, that region experienced the LOWEST rate of terror bombings in the WORLD. Arafat and Rabin, shaking hands! It was a time of great hope, for both sides. (Opinion polls have shown that both sides want peace, with the number going down during periods of violence. How predictable. Again, violence breeding violence.) I think this example illustrates my point rather well, that it's only by stepping out of the cycle of violence that we'll create a safer world in the long run. I know I've stepped a bit into the territory of sound bites a bit; I apologize. But my sentiment and reasoning is sincere, and one that I believe in. I think an objective analysis would indicate that violence breeds violence, anger breeds anger. But, I have to go. Ciao.