Drederek

Is this a serious thread or is jfb trolling for fishermen?

Is the tree with all the rap slings on it still at the base?

Well it looks like we're bailing cuz I know if the rock got pretty wet its weaker till it dries out well. We need all the holds we can get out there! Thx fer lookin OW.

Nice and dry out there? We've had minimal sprinkling in town.

"A mans got to know his limitations"

We went up this route last sat 7-01. I'm glad the ledge was mostly melted out

If 1 or 2 parties a week or so did this it might be OK. If many parties did this that whole area would look like the approach to the Beckey route on LB. I'm sure people do this but it doesn't seem like a good idea.

Wasn't K McDermot the producer of Jenna Jameson's last pic?

Welcome to Oly Dom. There's not much room in my Nissan PU (2 bucket seats) but if you really want to get out to Off's Quarry it could work. PM me with your particulars if you want to give it a go. I'll check for a message about 3pm. Duke

Did a few raps sunday with a 10.2 and a 8.1, overhand knot worked fine. We did back it up with a second overhand knot.

Its all good in your 'hood, Off

I think what it boils down to is who is the bigger dick? The person who put in unnecessary bolts or the person who chops the bolts deemed necessary by the FA? Climbing is anarchy so how can we tell? Maybe someone can help me with this quote at the end of animal farm "As they sat at the table one couldn't tell the men from the pigs or the the pigs from the men" Sorry George.

We be crimpin at the quarter after the 4, mon!

Lets pretend this thread is about Dreamer/Safe Sex for a minute. The start to Dreamer is pretty low angle and looking out there its tough to tell if theres going to be a crack in the shallow away facing dihedral. On the other hand you can see two or three bolts heading up to what must be a good stance (Safe Sex). If you haven't been here before you'll most likely clip up the first pitch and have a great day. A few will go looking and have a great time as well. But I'd guess the majority of peeps (including me)are heading up Safe Sex so the effect of the bolts was to usurp the original line. I have not yet climbed Dreamer entire because my main focus was to get my partners to the top. So I don't know whether I've missed out on a good pitch or been saved from a runout horrorshow. I do know the Safe Sex start is very enjoyable semi-runout slab. As for Epi I don't believe the FA's would have tried that bombay OW crack when they could runnout a 5.7 chickhead slab instead. Your folks are lookin good Off!

My Ego is Huge!

Ah, but kill shots are too much damn fun. Especially if they got in the way of the ball. Retaliation is just too easy, theres no where to hide in there. My goal was to literally run them in circles around me. Once they start getting tired they always hit it back to the middle and you can just stand there and run them back to front, left to right etc, etc! After a few weeks they get in better shape and return the 'favor'

2-3 times a week 30 minutes on fully tilted treadmill at a brisk walk, adjusting speed upward as my cardio rhythym catches up. Also running around work with my bags on all day and playing bball or hack at breaks. Don't need the treadmill when we're framing the 2nd floor and roof. Finishing concrete is beneficial before a trip to smith. I'm a step or two quicker over 50 yards than my partner who runs 5 miles 5 times a week. He buries me after the first 30 mins. Racquetball was the most excellent cardio for me, concentrating on working your opponent rather than kill shots, but my elbow didn't hold up. No luck with chondroitin. Hi intensity lo volumn workouts the week before a trip.

Climb: The cure for old knees-Mt Ellinor - chute Date of Climb: 6/4/2006 Trip Report: A fun way to start the day. Drive 99.9 % of the way to Upper TH. Hike the bare trail to the snow at 4k. Follow tracks to summit at 5.6k without a single posthole and only two minor slips. Don snowpants and return to 4.2k in about 5 mins on your ass. Drive home 15 mins later. Car to car in well under 2 hours. Home by noon! Gear Notes: shovel would have been nice to cover a bare spot in the chute. Boots, gloves, gaiters, snowpants. Approach Notes: A few 4 wheelers could drive thru the last bit of snow up to the parking lot and make it passable for everyone.

See previous posts Seriously, being able to take time off when conditions are good is important to climbing/skiing/etc around here. I'll see ya out at Off's

Just for the record I'd rather live in Olympia than PeeShitStain anyday

I can assure you Matt that a well-worded rebuttal will not offend me. I see the negative stuff as part of the price of having access to everything else here. I can see the value of asking people to show some common sense in these types of situations but to just say don't do this or don't do that seems a bit high and mighty to me. Thread drift is probably not what any person starting a thread here desires. Once in a while it can be a good thing. Probably not when people are beating dead horses however, I'll give you that.

I disagree. I am not an anarchist but I do believe that placing limits on others is a type of slavery, in that you are denying them the right to express themselves freely. I'm pretty sure that I would I have the sense to not crap on someones injury thread but its nice to know who doesn't. This is the internet and its supposed to be about exchanging information - its up to the individual reading it to decide if they want to believe this particular source. Censorship is a bad answer IMHO.

Maybe I was thinking of Mushmaker and was fooled by guidebook authors when I looked it up... scariest/hardest brings the memories back... I do recall some sideways fists now

The basalt cracks have so much more variation to them (on average, exceptions occur) that I think they force you to learn a lot of different ways to position your hands in them. The granite cracks are generally smoother and you can repeat the same jam a few times before the width changes and you have to change. Granite cracks are more enjoyable to be sure but basalt cracks can definitely be more problematic. Added: I'd rather climb a nice 5.8 granite handcrack like Dogleg than a 5.8 basalt handcrack like First Blood

Is that virgin pony at cynthias (enumclaw)?