Peter_Puget

I would but Alpinek scares me! PP

More importantly is how does job loss compare to previous recessions as a % of workforce. My guess is as you are reading this you have no clue. Right or wrong? PP

I am sure this has been posted before. here is my fave: PP

I won't tell 'cause I can keep a secret. Good Work! PP

It always surprises me how climbs at Darrington (and other slabby areas) often look dirty and crappy from the bottom and clean and white when viewed from above! Especially Gastroblast. I said slabby areas but I remember the Waterway route at Index looks dirty from below but really white when you’re looking down a pitch.

The attached graph plots the Fair Model employment (private industry) over time and adds its projection. Note the graph forms a W ! Y axis in in the hundreds of million jobs. PP

But to go in to a retail shop and ask for their help and advice, then leave and buy it from someplace else that doesn't provide the service, then you're shoplifting. I agree that to get advice with the intention of making a purchase based on that advice elsewhere isn’t the right thing to do but to call it shoplifting is the same as calling war terrorism. Mere sloganeering in such a way as to confuse the discussion. If I enter a store as customer I am under no obligation to make my purchase there regardless of the quality of the advice. The short but true answer is that if enough consumers do not value a personal sales advice enough to pay a premium for it when making a purchase then the service will disappear. Consumers may find out that in the long run they made the wrong decision. PP

You can stereos on the installment plan but the retail store you are buying from isnlt making a loan. I don't know the details of the transactions you bring up however I think you are in error if you think HBC is still in the fur trade.

FROM HBC WEB page: The Company's rapid expansion during the 1970s, however, added heavily to its debt. This, combined with rising interest rates and the economic recession of the 1980s, strained its resources severely. In response, the Company concentrated its energies on its retail businesses. Consequently, it divested itself of businesses and investments including its Wholesale department, Northern Stores and Fur divisions and Markborough, which it considered peripheral to its central interests. The Company continues to expand its retail operations with acqusitions such as Kmart and new outlets like the Outfitters store in Toronto.

Then they got back in!

Here is a trivia question for you Dru: when did HBC get out of the fur trade?

Now your talking about something ole Peter remembers quite well....ah the old days before the conquest of the Southern picketts. PP

http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=36594&forum=27

Here is a voice from the Iraqi the Wilderness: Khaled Al-Qishtini wrote - "The coalition forces will not withdraw from Iraq until they complete their mission. They are in Iraq at the will of the overwhelming majority of the people, and their mission is a noble and blessed one. They strengthen their presence [in Iraq] every day, with forces from other countries [whose leaders have] grasped the nobility of the mission carried out by the coalition forces. This mission is to sow the seeds of legitimacy of rule and of law, to establish a democratic government, to liberate women from the slavery and backwardness to which they are subject, to spread transparency in [public] administration, and to spread rationality and the spirit of science in education and in defending human rights." PP

I may be a dirtbag, fag, adulterer, psuedo-intellectual and punk but don't call me a hippy!

Not my bolts! It was so long ago I was a very clean no bolt climber!

When I was young and stupid!

Did it years ago..but it was worth the effort. PP

What's everyone climbing this weekend? PP

The tie is broken second place is Hard Boiled! The hospital scene is simply the best action sequence ever shot!

It's a tie for second: Hardboiled Bullet In The Head A Better Tomorrow PP

The Living End! PP

RIP

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Mattp – In all seriousness I think you way overstate the quality of Squamish. Squamish has lots of great climbs but its main attractiveness is its volume of middle grade climbs. If you take the best of Wa Pass, Index, Darrington or Leavenworth and compare to the best at Squamish, the top half dozen routes (that are relatvent here) are pretty comparable. By the way the Grand Wall would be no where near the top of my Squamish list. Remember her party has a day maybe two of climbing. Would your suggestion of DH-Lovin Arms and then add another day on Outerspace really be eclipsed by two days at Squamish? I think not. Some of the routes at Darrington compare quite favorably to Squamish. For instance, I cannot think of a Squamish 5.9 that is better than Dreamer. I agree with you comments on approaches. PP