Stefan

Here's what you do: 1) go to this webpage: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/regions/NorthCentral/Maint/Area3/nc2002/default.htm 2) click on "North Central Region" link in the upper left hand corner. 3) click on "Administration" link almost in the center of the page. 4) go to the "Donn Senn" email address and send him an email about your frustration. Maybe others too in that list.

If a man cannot climb rock without altering its aesthetics, then that man should not be there. Improve your climbing skill or get out of rockclimbing. Stop bolting.

So, Vege in the meantime while I figure this out, Thursday?

I accidently put vegetablebelay on my "ignore list" for PM's! How do I remove him from that list? I so want him to write me sweet nothings! How do I take him off my "ignore list"!!!????

Okay people. How was the Cascade road this past weekend? I want details!!! Thanks!

Oh for the love of God man! I am trying to figure it out!

Okay sir. Maybe you have got me. Maybe not. What the hell is West Pole Brand???

Dru, There are only certain places on 8000 meter peaks on the traditional routes where there are fixed lines. There is never a continual fixed line from base camp to the summit on any 8000 meter peak, and yet people still decide to go unroped.

On traditional standard routes up 8000 meter peaks most people do not rope up (when they are away from the lower glacial activity). It becomes too dangerous in pulling your partner off the climbs with you......as in what happened with Mt. Hood. But Mt. Hood had a chain reaction where there were two parties below...... So not roping up may be the wisest of choices. It depends on your "experience" and risk with your partners. But I never understood why climbers roped up in the hogsback area in the first place becuase there is no glacial activity in that section (except for the bergschrund) and there is no 5th class climbing. I guess if people were roping up on a steep slope, then they should at least be putting pickets in--otherwise, what is the point of roping up?

Badandy or danielpatricksmith. Matterhorn. I need Beta. I plan on doing it this summer. I see you have done it badandy, but what about you danielpatricksmith? Email me. Email me too badandy. By the way I will be scrambling some peaks on Friday afternoon just east of Mt. Rainier. Let me know if you are interested. (Seymour/Dewey) peaks. [ 06-06-2002, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: Stefan ]

Dru, Sounds to me like climbing is a drug for you and you have become slightly immmune to its affects. (i.e. the Snake and 1 month versus 2 days of feelings....) and of course you want more...... Maybe that's the problem. You want more and are not satisfied with what you do have. My god man! There are children starving in Ethiopia and all you care about is your feeling for climbing!!!!

That is great info. I will be up there the weekend of the 15th too..... So, I will be asking again next week to see if the Forest Service or NPS did any improvement.... Two years ago at this exact time I was able to mountainbike to the end of the road and I never came across one downed tree. I can't wait to get up there!

Come on guys. Anybody up there this past weekend? I know the road is gated, but is it mountainbikable to the Cascade Pass trailhead?

Maybe you can get them to make you a nice lunch on the glacier like this one: http://www.glacierair.com/Tours-Special.htm

I do not know about the minimal vertical requirements of Base Jumping but High Rock just southwest of Mt. Rainier might be good. About a 2 mile walk on a trail to a hut with good views of Mt. Rainier and a pretty damned near vertical cliff to jump off of....i think it is 800 vertical feet. What are the minimal vertical requirements for base jumping? [ 06-04-2002, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Stefan ]

About 2.5 weeks ago a couple came off of Rainier. They were 3 days late in coming off of Liberty Cap after they summitted via Liberty Ridge. Their climb was to last 4 days. It lasted 7 days. They made an emergency phone call at the Shurman Camp to tell people they were okay. One person had a part of his pinky taken off due to frostbite. One of the persons on this climb is a friend of a friend. Speculation by Stefan in regards to this past rescue: Maybe the person (without the hardshell)came down the Emmons/Winthrop glacier. Maybe he came to Camp Shurman and made the emegency call from the camp. Maybe the rescuers told him to descend from the camp and meet at St. Elmo's pass to pick him up. Maybe the helicopter pilot decided St. Elmo's pass was a better pickup than Glacier Basin......... [ 05-30-2002, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Stefan ]

"Burgstrom" ???

If you helped them Terminal Gravity, you would have put yourself in danger due to the weather conditions. You would probably be in the same position they are now. Rescue people do not go out in the weather conditions they were experiencing for this reason.

My compliments to your writing Terminal Gravity.

REI owns something like 40% of Arc'teryx.

Ditto on the shameless plug for today!

You wear neon spandex. You subscribe to Outside magazine.

Helicopters and snowmobiles are not allowed in wilderness areas or the NCNP for “recreational” uses due to their motorization. That is an example of consistency I appreciate from my government. Thinking about this topic brings me to the thought that some day there will be a heli-hiking operation……

oooh largest glacial system in the lower 49. did you know that the Garibaldi Neve is supposedly larger than all the ice in the Lower 49 COMBINED!!![/QB] Dru, have you ever heard of Alaska?

I agree helicopters are less obtrusive to areas than snowmobiling at this current date. I am asking for equitable management within the governmental guidelines. Non-motorized access should mean non-motorized access. And motorized access should mean motorized access. Would your opinion still be the same if snowmobiles made no noise and were totally electric? Technology may make that happen some day. For example on my consistency philosophy. A friend of mine was helicoptered out of the Okanagon due to a knee injury. He had to pay for the helicopter. I know of somebody else (a friend of a friend) who was helicoptered from a recreational boating accident by the Coast Guard. No charge for the helicopter rescue even though it appeared it was a more substantial rescue. Yes, two different federal government agencies but completely inconsistent.