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Yes, but that's George Bush.

This is what the next to last paragraph said: Interviews with Saddam left Duelfer's team with the impression that Saddam was more concerned about Iran and Israel as enemies than he was about the United States. Saddam appeared to hold out hope that U.S. leaders would ultimately recognize that it was in the country's interest to deal with Iraq as an important, secular, oil-rich Middle Eastern nation, the report found.

Thanks guys for the reentry engineering talk in plain English. I understand the general concepts now.

Can someone explaine something to me about this space thingy they built? There is a big concern for reentry into Earth's orbit becuase an object could be burned up. Like the last shuttle. In looking at the plane that won the prize, it does not appear to have any heat shield. Or is there a heat shield?

Unofficial name for Peak 5144 or as USGS Maps shows (5145T) is Bushwack Peak. I have been up it from Ragged Ridge. Easy scramble on south. Exited via Salmon Creek on the east under snow conditions. Snow conditions are essential in this area.

Ragged Ridge stretches from basically from east of Isabell Lake to your peaks near Boulder Lake. Ragged Ridge is marked on the USGS map at the southern edge. Could it be this? This can be done in a day. Frostbite-Weber

Nice!!!!!!!!!!

Get your mother on your side and have her withhold sex from your father if he does not rest. If he is resting, then tell your mother to have as much sex as your father wants to reinforce the behavior. If they do not have sex often, then tell your mother to start making his favorite meals ALL THE TIME if he stays off of his feet. If you are not influencing your father, then your mother might be second best.

It is true. I am anti-bolting. Not an anti-bolting nazi. Bolting in certain areas are acceptable to me. But I also use trails and so that is hypocritic to my anti-bolting opinion. glassgokiss. Are you a teenager? I just want to know becuase you use vulgarity so often in your writing.

Good for you nalo sticking out your neck. If I knew anybody single and in their low 20's then I would send them to you...alas I do not. One recommendation: Always keep all your possibilities open and do not limit yourself to just a climbing woman. Why fish in a lake when you can fish the ocean!

I have heard someone did it 15 hours round trip.

Powerdrilling in wilderness is bad? I think so. What about standard bolting in wilderness areas only? I advocate for the standard use of trails, but I don't advocate for the use of bolts in wilderness areas. I find my own stance hypocritical.

I would like to climb 5.14......but I don't want to spend the time to get there....hence I know I will never get there.... but some folks do want to eventually get to that grade...is it any more necessarily right to impose YOUR style and its corresponding limitations on them as it for them to impose their's on you? I am sure people want to get to that grade. Good for them for putting in the effort and the time! People right now are free to do whatever style they want. Bolting can be done whenever and wherever they want to in these current days (except I think around Indian paintings). I think Smith Rocks/Index are beautiful places to bolt and I have accepted that as okay. And I am sure people want to do it in the sport style rather than do the traditional time learning of pro placement. Here's an analogy for you. I don't want second hand smoke. I avoid smoking areas. I avoid smoking bars. If I go to a park and sit down with my woman, I do not expect to be interrupted by a smoker who comes up and decides to sit next to me. There are areas for smoking and there are areas for nonsmoking. I do not like smoking and wish people would stop, but that choice is up to them. In the end, there will be areas for bolting. There will be areas not allowed for bolting. I do not like bolting, but that choice is up to the user. But how do you stop someone from bolting in a nonbolting area? You cannot. Once you bolt in a nonbolting area that is permanent (geologic time will remove the bolt). Besides I think bolting where people cannot see it is okay with me. I don't like, I just accept it.

DFA, When you create a sport route, do you traditionally top rope it to set up the bolts and look for how you want to the route to go? not on steep routes like rifle or along the east coast, they are bolted ground up because they are too steep... Steep as in overhanging? Or steep as impossible to toprope which is similar in fashion to Smith Rocks?

Bird Creek Meadows is one of the top 5 most beautiful meadows I have ever visited in this state.

DFA, When you create a sport route, do you traditionally top rope it to set up the bolts and look for how you want to the route to go?

I would like to climb 5.14......but I don't want to spend the time to get there....hence I know I will never get there....

I also should not climb a 5.10 route if I can't climb 5.9 I gotta earn to be a 5.10 climber and above, that means being confident on 5.9. and sequential grades. again your logic is totally flawed... Here's an example...let's say that you want to learn to climb steep, overhanging and roofed rock...and i'm not talking about the "roofed" routes we have in the PNW, but sustained more than 2 body length roof climbing that you can't just reach over and mantle through....well, i've got news for you, the routes usually don't start until about 5.11...so you can stay in 5.9suck land forever and totally dial that down, then you can go and dial down 5.10 tech face and you're still gonna get shut down completely on steep rock...simply cuz you don't know what the fuck you are doing... We can extrapolate that to something like, oh i don't know, a nice slick flaring offwidth...guess what, you can cheat your ass off on most 5.9 and under offwidth and not learn how to climb them...the reason why is because an offwidth at 5.9 and under generally has enough crap inside it and on the neighboring face that you really aren't climbing it in true "offwidth" style...so you're gonna get shut down and flail and hangdog or you are never going to progress...sorry this is the real world and if you don't train specifically, it aint gonna happen... you think 5.14 climbers didn't bump their grades by working their asses off, training, hangdogging routes, working stuff into the ground AND onsighting all at the same time? Guess again... True. I can see overhangs as a serious problem to the toproping issue and trying to avoid bolting. But you can still try to toprope if you can do "dial" in the route. But usually if you are "hangdogging" to "dial" into the grade, aren't you usually less than 50 meters off the ground? What grade is "To Bolt or Not to Bolt?" Is this overhanging? (I seriously have no idea.)

if you can't climb 5.9 then you CAN'T climb 5.10! What does mode of protection have to do with it? If you have to bolt the shit out of it and hang doggggg up the thing... That is the issue... Sorry, I don't hang dogggg. Why? I don't have the time to improve. You could become more proficient at still toproping a 5.12 climb, and hang dogggg to do the moves over and over to improve.

if you can't climb 5.9 then you CAN'T climb 5.10! What does mode of protection have to do with it? Ummm. Forgive me for speaking generally but traditionally, the harder routes requires more competence to place protection becuase those routes have less places to place pro. Mode of protection means those more competent can place pro in the more difficult places. Those less competent rely on bolts.

Are you trying to be incendiary, or do you have a point? Of course I have a point. The rope is only for safety reasons. AND just becuase you are not leading does not mean you are not climbing.

I agree with you completely. I feel more focused leading rather than toproping. I just don't agree with the bolting thing if you could toprope a route. I guess if you want a real rush to focus, just make sure there is a lot of slack behind you on a topropable climb. Why not place pro instead of toproping--I have no problem with that.

Please explain what his means. Cheers If I can not place a piece of protection that I feel I can live with and/or I could fall on, then I should not be there. I do not rely on anybody else but what is naturally given to me on the route. But I still rely on the mechanics of a Camalot! I also should not climb a 5.10 route if I can't climb 5.9 I gotta earn to be a 5.10 climber and above, that means being confident on 5.9. and sequential grades.

Why do you use a rope then? Rope is only there IF you should fall-it is a safety mechanism. If rope is only a safety mechanism then it should not matter if it is above you or below you. Climbing is making the moves on rock. Even if I follow someone who leads, I still make the climb.

Peter Croft may know one thing more than me. About toproping: I said, "If" a route was topropable, why bolt it? Obviously you can not toprope Exfoliation Dome, so bolting may be okay. I make the the personal premises to myself that says, "If I cannot climb it under my own abilities, then I should not climb it." I think bolting something that could be toproped is ridiculous, I think bolting next to fine pro placement is ridiculous. However, I am more lenient on places where there is multipitching going on--it is out of sight. The locations of these bolts are way out of sight and do nothing to interfere with "wilderness" feel for the standard user.