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Ever listen to conservative talk radio during the holidays? Nearly every day you'll hear a story about how the liberals are trying to take Christ out of Christmas. When one is even allowed, we must refer to a former Christmas tree as a "winter tree", for example, and even then "P.C. liberals" and the ACLU are trying to have it removed. The average guy in the street can't understand all of the anti-Christmas fuss (neither can I), and after being bombarded with reports of how liberals are out to deny the rest of us our dear traditions, he must conclude that liberals are annoying little jerks with nothing better to do than bitch about how miserable they are that everybody else seems to enjoy the Christmas season. It is precisely the BS I'm reading in this thread that causes middle America to swing to the right. That's sad, when liberals could be directing their energy toward more important issues.

"This is Dana's Arch in the year 2020. The Via Ferrata will protect the crack from damage done by aid climbers." -Dwayner

Have you ever considered removing the bolts?

This one belongs in a new category...either "rest days" or perhaps "sport climbing".

Buddy Jones: ...as viewed through a thoroughly soaked, stupid looking white sort of male person's conservative kind of middle-of-the-road COTTON UNDERGARMENT! Whoopee! And here comes THE WATER! Mary: EEEK! Buddy Jones: No, you'd squeak more if the water got on you...sounds like you just got an ice pick in the forehead...AND HERE COMES THE ICE PICK IN THE FOREHEAD ...a million laughs, Mary! Anyway; good golly, what a mess...she's totally soaked...yeh, totally committed to the fifty bucks...That's it just step into the spotlight...let the guys get a good look at ya honey! Mary: Here I am! Buddy Jones: Whaddya say, fellas? Nice setta jugs? Now Mary, how's about shakin' it around a little... Mary: Ooooh! Buddy Jones: Oh my goodness, look at her go! Mary: Oooh! I'm dancing! I'm dancing! Buddy Jones: Ain't this what living is really all about! Here's your fifty bucks Mary... Mary: Oh great! Now I can go home! Buddy Jones: Home is where the heart is. Mary: On the bus.

Thank God. For a moment there I thought those added bolts might be superfluous and stupid. This is not the "murder of the impossible". This is the castration of the casual.

"Our insurance rates are lower....we stand zero chance of being rear-ended."

W=9, L=2.

It probably gets climbed every day right where it sits....at 5.9 A1, and as far as I'm concerned, the visitors from "serious" climbing areas didn't really improve on the the style all that much. Todd Skinner didn't complete it and didn't pull his rope between falls. Hugh Herr might as well have climbed it with a counter weight. As Nelson points out in his guide, it's a nice top-rope problem for "5.13 climbers".

Are these the bolts added by Greg Child? Isn't that a C2 crack right there?

You should send Lambone a PM. I suspect he will provide with the name of a carrier that reliably serves really remote, glaciated peaks.

I saw him at Index in the mid 1980's. Always looking for an opportunity to promote his name and the crap he sells, Jeff climbed a 5.9 (think it was Sagitarius) with a rack that consisted of nearly all tri-cams. And he struggled with 5.9. I thought, "That guy looks like he could use a few SLCD's right now. He's spooked." But whatever. One guy enjoys clipping up a trail of bolts, one guy has fun on the via ferrata. I know some folks who would enjoy riding a gondola to the top of the Chief. If you want to trash the hills with this garbage, just don't confuse these activities with mountaineering.

An anecdote may illustrate how completely random the banning process can be. This incident was recounted to me first-hand by a novice participant who had only contributed a small number of posts when he received a PM from a moderator who admonished, "Don't spray in the rock climbing forum." He replied politely with, "F_ck you!" and was promptly banned! Banned for a private message! The lesson here is that moderators are proud individuals who take their priveleged positions seriously. In the case of Dwayner, his only crime was not recognizing that all criticism of rampant bolting and sport climbing should be confined to SPRAY and.....AND....that even in the SPRAY forum one must be careful not to appear more clever than the moderators of this sacred web-space.

Yes, he is too busy for "spray" at the moment. I happen to know what he is doing. You should meet him. He's an interesting guy with a story to tell.

Sorry. Two years of reading your contributions has me missing Dwayner.

"Access Denied. Please use your back button to return to the previous page." I forgot that you need to register over there to see that link. Here's a copy for your enjoyment. Dwayner on Rap: What I seems to know is that The 'Bone doesn't seem to have much of a sense of humor. Dude...you don't know who you're talking to. I've got insights into American youth like few others: "Ay yo trip! Bling, blang, blung, bloong, bleng. I jus got my blizzy chizzy with the grizzy-grizzy." [editor's note: Nonsense noises followed by an indication that this young man has performed his "belay check with the gri-gri"] "Whadup, dawg? Where duz I park m' hoo-ride for da comps?" "Yo Semite"? Ain't that that new phat Jewish rap group m'homies are raging 'bout? Boo-ya!" "bizzy, spizzy, trizzy....it all good!" [editor's note: "bouldering, sport, trad...it all has positive value!"] "Two-Homey's Meadow? Bring it on!" "My boo is a route-setter at the gym...I talked him into puttin' up a heinous 5.10b creation called "Gurlz Rule". And I made him use pink tape. Look for it next time you be chillaxin in da house o' holds. By the way......Gurlz rule! "Tats....they make us climb better and they assist us in establishing our individual identity in an uncaring world. Did I mention that they make us climb better?" "ALLEZ!!!" If you take them kidz down to the Valley, I suggest you bring some of these along: And for the smaller gym-rats:

Gyselinck's rap thread reminded me that the quality and etertainment value of spray has been miserably low since Dwayner was banned. Dwayner on rap.

Got married? That explains everything. There ain't gonna be no comeback. Better sell your rack...I mean, your quick-draws so you can put money down on a riding mower.

I hear you're currently a wide receiver.

Four.

DFA say: Doctor.... what?

I think they're for real this year. So far a great record and a soft schedule remains. Those who don't care (because you think sending V2 is more important)...save your breath. I don't care that you don't care.

Access is a constitutional right...for those who can afford it.

How many sport climbers can sit on a bar stool?

Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, three Brazilian soldiers were killed." "OH NO!" the president exclaims. "That's terrible!" His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the president sits, head in hands. Finally, president looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"