Bronco

I can climb a 5.10 in the gym so I can go lead a 5.10 at Index, right?

sign me up - this is pathetic!

Drank some "Hair of the Dog" at the Fall City micro-brew fest in the early 90's. Possibly the worst tasting beer ever. I don't remember who the brewer was but the name of the beer fit the taste.

Mike: Not my shoes but Erik and his homey Jamie hauled me up the G-M Wednesday and I agree it was great. I had to rest on the last OW myself as nothing was working for me but the layback.

More advice for newbies when climbing with righteous mentors: Don't drop mentors gear and if you do, replace it with your own. Be careful you don't kick any rocks off the belay ledge if you do yell "ROCK"! Don't stand on the end of the rap rope while your pard is throwing it off.

Good topic Will. I just finished reading the book - Your Money or Your Life : Transforming Your Relationship With Money and Achieving Financial Independence -- by Joe Dominguez, Vicki Robin; Paperback Great info in it regarding cutting the consumerism we are subscribing to and suggestions on how to get more from your life. My $.02

Here is a suggestion for your consideration as a part of the local climbing community. We need guys like Retro, Will and Caveman in order to be "a self regulating body" and put some limitations on bolting or "the man" will do it for us. Just imagine getting a permit to place some bolts for a belay station. "ok mr. climber that will be 30 days for planning review, 30 for structural..."

I be down wit that!

Hikerwa: Sounds as if you have some reluctant folks who are hesitant to do their share of the work. A suggestion would be to "get after them" a little and let them know what's expected of a "partner". Newbies: As a fellow newbie I can confirm feeling like doing nothing is the safest thing to do to aviod looking like a moron. It is also a good way to appear lazy and uninterested to your partner especially if they don't know you from previous meetings. A few tips on how not to look like a client and piss off your more experienced partner: You should offer to drive, carry gear on the approach if you won't be leading, try have enough snacks and water for your "partner" and always bring TP. Be on time, know exactly where and when you are meeting and if you're not sure, ask. Afterwards, offer to buy lunch or dinner. Remember Bronco's climbing with mentors rule # 2: It is a privelidge to climb with someone willing to teach you how and definetly not a privelidge to climb with a newbie.

OK Mike, you will get through this, we need talk you down. How many pills did you take and what color were they? What is the signifiacance of your girlfriend being an Indian? Is she there with you? We need you to get away from the keyboard and any sharp objects!

BUSTED! http://www.heraldnet.com/Stories/01/7/13/14019802.cfm Too bad it was just a lady by herself who witnessed the crime instead of a Vanagon full of hippy climbers or 4x4 full of redneck bear poachers.

check out the article on Rock & Ice: http://www.rockandice.com/index.phtml?section=gear_show&content_id=149

What gives with no TRs on the PUB CLUB?

East- I dont know further than that, we will decide when we get there.

Going lightweight is not for everybody. If your freind is a novice, he may be looking for trouble unless his parnters have some experience. The reason I say this is the more experience you have out there, the better you are prepared to deal with not having extra dry pants or emergency food. I have used the old "if there is doubt then there is no doubt" philosiphy in packing with some success. If you hesitate while packing your leatherman wondering if you will really need it, then nope, it stays home. Leave the big first aid kit at home and just bring a roll of medical tape and bandana. Drilling holes in the handle of your boyscout hatchet is also preffered as well as beer in cans over bottles.

Skinny Dippin is funnest with a co-ed, my wife and I used to take the occaional dip in the mountains back in the good old days. Almost got busted one time, just as we were finishing putting our cloths back on, a group of about 20 hikers came around the point on Canyon Lake near Granite Falls. Trying to throw cloths on over cold wet skin is not fun. I was sitting next to Procter creek West of Mt. Index 2 summers ago having a post climb brew with a buddy on a hot day thinkin I might slide over and sit in the creek but, with LOTS of hikers walking around I hesitated. All of a sudden, this hoser walks up and loudly says "you arent going to freak when I shed my towel and jump in the creek are ya?" We shrugged and he drops the towel to reveal that it was the only garment he was wearing! He frolicks around spashing and hooting while we busted a gut laughing at him along with everybody else. I havent seen any nude hikers or climbers yet, but have heard you folks are out there. I must say, I fail to see the point in that activity, I gotta protect the family jewels.

Thanks Dru my mistake, I am not really a big Queen fan like you are apparantly.

I genereally get enough motivation knowing if I don't train hard enough and fail on a climb because of it, it will suck! I don't get a chance to climb often so it stings for a while if I wimp out on a climb. Another good motivator is to go running in a neigborhood where there are lots of dogs or trail running in a grizly area covered with bbq sauce.

Hey smb - some of us big white thighed guys like to run and running shorts seem to be the best option. You are just jealous anyway because of your puny chicken legs you girly mon. "Fat bottomed women make the Rockin' World go 'round" - Freddy Mercury

"if they outlaw spandex for fatties, then only fatty outlaws will have spandex"

It was a good idea for you to skip the High Preist if you were running short on time. They can get very long winded, especially on Sundays. yuk yuk!

Whopper, your comment is right on about the foster climber you picked up "quiet, unassuming, knowledgable climber". Sounds like what my guts were telling me about Judd. I think this is a really subjective topic (adopting unproven partners) and highly depends on the stiuation an on the experience level of your team. Kind of like soloing - you don't want to solo at your level of climbing w/pro. After thinking about it for a week, I would do things differently if it happened again. But, if you never climb with anyone new, it will probably take you longer to learn than if you do. (mama always said "if you always do what you did, you will always have what you had") Another climbing paradox.

Will: Kind of funny you thought I made him up. At times I wondered if I made him up. This was one of the first big climbs (by my standards) and the most committing climb I have led. So I realize my judgement was not completly sound. Kevlar: thanks for posting, I appreciate knowing I was not insane and Judd was not a figment of my fatigue. I don't believe anyone should criticize you. You made the right decision for your team given the circumstances. Judd was the one who decided to stay up there. One final note: As my partners and I left Judd behind at Muir, one of them asks me, "so where did you know Judd from?" They both thought I knew him from somewhere else and both thought it was insane that I allowed him to climb with us.

Erik: I agree it is frustrating when you e-mail someone to take them up on an offer say - oh - I don't know - maybe to take a newbie climbin' and they don't respond.

PP: It sounds as if you mean a confrontation?