Bronco

I bet if you simply removed your windshield wipers (they come off in seconds on most vehicles) the rangers would be stumped on how to ticket you. To further create confusion, chain starving rotwilers to each bumper on a 15' chain.

quote: Originally posted by Crackbolter: I am going to stir it up some more. Work is slow today and I am bored. Please entertain me. Who thinks that it is not okay to drill into fresh virgin granite void of cracks? This is a serious discussion so if you give me a B.S. answer I will be very angry and I will have to open a can of whoopass on you. Also, Is it okay to drink and climb? Is it okay to puff on the kind green bud with lots of purply hairs and cough for ten minutes and then climb gripped? I would like to hear REAL answers not just some jubberish! Behave! Crackbolter(lambone?): 1 - No, never ok to put bolts on virgin granite. If it is too scary, go climb something you can handle like I do. Now bring your "can of whoopass" over here so I can give you a spankin'. 2 - Drinking while climbing is up to you and your partners, until you need to be rescued or scraped out of a crater. 3 - smoking dope while climbing - see #2

quote: Originally posted by mikeadam: I have some used Montrail Hurricane GTX's for sale. Only ran about 50 miles in them (mostly to 7-11 for smokes). Bongwater stains should wash out easily...John Griber would be proud... Best offer... that goretex was good for something, eh?

I accidentally showed up at the PUBE club last night. A bunch of brace-face 13 year old boys staring at Victoria Secret catolouges and talking about getting some more of that crazy "red-bull" drink with their voices cracking. Despite the Britney Spears "music" blaring it was pretty boring, but I did beat most of them arm wrestling and they were interested to hear about the heroic spraying of the KTK on this website after I threatend to tell thier parents about the secret stash of petroleum jelly under the bathroom sink...

New balance running shoes, I am currently putting a meager 600-700 road/trail miles on them over 12 months before retiring them to lawn mowing/approach duty. I checked some websites and only found an estimate of 6 - 9 months for replacement, which seems too subjective. Thanks

go up 'till you run out of mountain

quote: Originally posted by erik: i would like to see an agenda...... trail projects that need to be addressed at the crag...... restore original lower town trail.... improve the trail to private idaho rebuild the trail to rattle tale wall.... the 10' of lower town trail was done last week sometime. with all of this thinkin I expect to see you out there, yes?

Gaper #1 maybe you could let your friend know he can cut his work time down significantly with this thing called a "track hoe". I think they rent them in Leavnsworth by the hour. I used one and they work great for clearing trails.

I have a Northface parka I wear to vantage in the summer. I will join the club since I cant go to the PUBE club.

Well done Dwayner. However, I heard those Whittaker boys are not welcome in Alaska because they threw a helicopter off of some mountain up there. I advise you to exercise caution in holding these characters in such high regard. Coincidentally, throwing any motorized vehicle off of the top of a mountain will get you an honorary membership in the KTK.

tr for 4/21/02 as I was kicked out of the house for a baby shower all day, I thought i would do some exloring on Mt. Baring, check out the North and South summits. get up at 5:00 drive to within 1/2 mile from trailhead (blocked by snow) low clouds and periodic drizzle 6 am. take climbers path marked by a cairn on old road past trailhead. checked out large avalache chute full of old consolidated debris just past the climber's path. HMMMM... looks like an easy way up ...... although I better stick to the prescribed route as this is the first time on this mountain, 5 minutes later I lose the climber's "path" and decide to stick to the open timber next to the large avvy chute to check it out. evidence of recent scouring noted, however, I keep finding myself out in the chute as it it way easier than climbin over logs and brush and whatnot. Despite it's lush inviting forest, that is a steep dang mountain! 30 - 45 degrees the entire way up to the west ridge. Gain the top of the ridge @ 4,300'. travel along the ridge in the clouds, side hill on the south side of the ridge when encountering cliff. Keep moving east, (I think it was east, I left my compass on the seat of my truck), along steepening slope until you find the "gully with rocks on the left". Kick steps and climb 50 - 60 degree gully (with steeper bulges) to top of ridge to see where the hell I am. now at 4,900' on top of the ridge, visibility is about 50' - 100', windy, temps in the mid 30's and moist. I see what I think could be the gully leading higher to the "V" notch and summit ridge, but, what was firm well consolidated snow lower, is now very wet, heavy 10" - 12" of slush on top of a thick raincrust. HMMMMMMM.... listen to sluffs coming off of what I assume is the summit (I never did see the upper mountain) I decide to go for it, take a few steps into the bowl leading to the gully and trigger a small slide. HMMMMMM... this route is fun but not worth this stress, and being alone is not the best time to be in conditions like they were. down climbing the steepest section was interesting with my quads cramping (dehydrated from too much beer the night before) by the time I got to the avvy chute I had decided to descend it on my ass which saved a lot of time, watch out for the occasional moat and drop off. I think I stumbled on some meth scientists trying to hide in the bushes on the way out. "what are you doing in there?" One says "Nothin" the other says "Hikin". went craggin at IndexTW after that. (it was only 11:00 when I got back to my truck) I though it was interesting that the first post on this thread is from january of '01 and he reported no snow until my approximate high point of 4,800'. I had deep snow the entire way.

I'd agree with Stephan's assesment of the conditions up there. Have a go at it and let us know what you find.

Give it a try, I would be pesimistic about it working very well though. It seems like a pack's frame is generally designed for a specific pack with the capacity, waist belt, color, etc and you may have problems not evident while carying a 6-pack of beer around the living room in it, (that's my standard test) or even on short hikes, but, what's the worst thing that can happen? Your pack might be uncomfortable!

I sure hope that wasn't your garage-web-cam.

Rainin' in Monroe this morning. Might be wet.

As of last sunday (4/14) the road was pretty washed out at 1.75 miles but passable with a 4x4 pretty easily, but dont bother because at 2 miles in, 3 sizable trees block the road completly and another 1/4 mile later the road is covered with 1-3'of avalanche debris??? Looks like it was pretty stormy winter up there.

quote: Originally posted by jon: No dude I want the flail pack! Actually the only reason I'm looking at it is because I need a dry bag for bike commuting so I don't get my laptop soaked, and the bike specific ones are spendy. Also been thinking of just getting a small haul bag. http://www.bdel.com/rockclimbing/packs_haul_bags.html I briefly considered buying the little haul bag for craggin myself. Bomber for throwing around and sitting on instead of slowly destroying your $300 Nozone at Index. Waterproof (and beer proof) for those rainy days too. It might get stolen a little faster if it is fashionalbe though, (thanks for pointing that out Dru) alas, I plucked a $30 knapsack out of the rei clearance bin that is ugly and almost worthless except carrying crap to the crag. I will never be fashionable if I continue to be so cheap. But I wouldnt mind trying out one of these haul bags if Black Diamond wants to give me one The Ark-ansas backpack would probably be a little more stable for dodging the Suburban drivers not paying attention as the haul bag has no compression straps..

FREE!

quote: Originally posted by sk: ...........I've often considered taking an intermidiate rock class, or mtreer, I am totaly rethinking that.... I thought about doing that 2 years ago and looked into it. From what I recall, you can't simply sign up for an intermediate class. You have to start in kindergarden hiking or basic courses first, meet the criteria, pass the tests, about 3 years later you would possibly be able to get into the intermediate class. Maybe chris could confirm or deny this?? As an alternative you can join the KTK and quickly reach the Hungover Journeyman Choss and Moss Bushwacker rank with a few short days of climbing with a some sarcastic smart asses who would give you the shirt off their backs as long as you have beer for them.

I hear the Icicle Creek area would be fun this weekend.

just thought I would fyi the troops: Five Ten brand only available in 10.5 for $21.96 including shiping http://www.bargainoutfitters.com/showad.html?promo_code=BOFX1&item_id=54474 probably a better Idea than the $240 scarpa mescalito's I was eye-balling.

I haven't heard of any bird closures at Index (ever), I'd say hit it in the middle of the week to avoid crowds like any other good crag and give it a couple of days to dry out after a good rain, unless you want to experience "authentic" Index climbing. [ 04-17-2002, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: Bronco ]

quote: Originally posted by AlpineK: I've read too many posts where the poster has been thinking way too much for their own good; also I've met a lot of people who think so much they psych themselves out of climbing.... On the other hand there are folks like me who just say DUH and go tearing off up the mountain instead of thinking about the potential or likely consequenses of taking a whipper, am I going to get avalached on, do I have enouogh pro (or too much)etc etc. Grasshopper must learn to think before climby. oh well, ignorance is bliss

you have some small feet! anyway, I've had mine for a year and really like everything about them. I've done snow slogs to boulder hopping, ice climbing, and some mixed climbing on the NE slab of the TOOTH! They seem to really do everything very well but this was my first pair of real climbing boots so, I don't know what else to compare them to other than my partner's whining about their boots.

Jeremy: It's all about having fun and being safe. Most bivi on the "lunch counter" below pikers peak and leave their bivi gear there while they go make a summit attempt. Like Tim said, the glissade down is one of the best in the cascades. Also - you may want to see if you can get a more experienced climber type to go with you, at over 12,000' bad things happen all the time even on easy terrain. Have fun and be safe.