Paul_detrick

I don't know if they check everyday or not, I climb sometimes after work and do not see them, but they know how packed it is on weekends so Im sure they make a point to check then. Wait til concerts start then it will really be packed.

When you buy a hunting or fishing lin. it comes with them, you can buy just a permit for ten dollars. I got a ticket last year, and went out and got a permit, I wrote the jugde a letter and told him I allways get one but had not yet, but got one after the ticket and he dismissed it. It's worth a try. You just have to write a letter, you do not have to appear in court. Hope it helps, to everone else BUY a permit, pay now or pay latter.

My son lost one there, is it leaopard skin? Paul

Was down at Vantage today and only saw two other groups, I was climbing with someone who had not been there before, and went down to the sunshine wall to show him around,( I try not to go there)and since noone was around took him on some of my favrite climbs. I did not see any routes without hangers, afew achors like above party in your pants (sorry Fred twin cracks) were missing, but the ones for easyoff were right there. It was not as bad as I had heard on here. If someone just put all those back thanks. Air gutar is still sweet. But I would not want to be there tomorow,the people were all ready showing up when I left.

Thanks, but that a long ways for a couple routes, It's nice for yoy tho. Paul

If you smoke a lot, you might become smart enough, to be a Ice climber, like Fred says you don't have to be smart to climb, in fact it hurts. For the sake of spray, I have killed more brain cells than should be aloud and walk around, that don't make it kool. Today I choose not to kill anymore, but it's kool if you do, how else are we going to get more ice climbers.

I don't remenber that post, so try again. Where is it? Paul

SOoooo, maybe if someone climbed with some guys, at a area they did not know so well, say like Index, than that person might take them to a place he knew better. Or he might invite someone just to climb with. And say this place was not so know, would THEY tell everone else. Just a thought.

What if you knew of a new climbing area, would you share it with the people on this board, or would you hold out, and let the small group of climbers who use it now have it all? What if there where great cracks, long faces, kool korners, big jugs. I would not want to see what's happening at some areas to go on there. IF there where a new area.

were they hardbolied?

where is it at, this is the frist i've heard of it, I often go to the other you are refering to. Paul

I agree, is it Vantage everyone hates or just all the people? Rock is Rock. Or is it the way the routes have been set up, too many bolts? too close together? Don't blame the area for a few people's actions. Talk down about people but not the rock.

O.K Steve was trying to be nice,by letting people know whats going on with the steers, but who cares what they do at camp long,it's the Ice cicle and Pestashin, and even Vantage I care about, they hog the whole area all day. That tends to piss people off. If you put up 20 top ropes and don't let anyone else on than that sucks.

If it's junk rock why would you want to learn there? The stuff falls a part all by it shelf, I can't belive it's a great place to learn. I hope no one was below them, they must have been yelling ROCK all day. K.C.D.S

No wonder rates are so high.

Thank you Jon that was the point I was trying to make, no one wants trees cut, water damed, but they want a house and have lights too. It has to come from somewhere.

nicely said from someone NOT from eastern washington.

It rains 7 inchs a year at this shithole, but we have lots of water for crops, because someone had the forsight to build a big dan that nobody wanted. Now we grow more crops than most states, and the project is not complete. And where do you think all your power comes from, I'll bet alot of it comes from just north of our shithole, so what our state should do is cut your ass off and than see how you like it. I wish they would come up here, if they can bulid a place like the Gorge, and we deal with it, we could use the taxes from that plant. A resident of Grant Co.

Sorry to hear of your loss,but if there is a lesson to learn don't leave gear in the car, it's not safe anywhere, punks now know that climbing gear is worth bucks, I hope the ranger can help you out. Paul

Erik, I could not have said it better, I have 2 metolious 2 Friends and 8 camalots, I have had the metolious invert in cracks before, what a bitch to get out, camalots will not do this, and if they do walk back in a crack too far they become passive pro which has been mention. I don't own any smaller than .5 , my friends are smaller than that, so I use nuts. 2 cents worth. Paul

Weather was great today at Vantage, lots of people, but I guess there's no where else to go. No sign of mountainsteers,but lots of boneheads. Paul

If you bivi next to the road it's camping. Paul

The Mole in the icecicle canyon up past Yellowjacket Tower, bad shit, coming down was'nt much better. Paul

u got 2 be kidding me, more censorship, get a life deal with it. Paul

It may be cold, but not that cold, day time highs are in the 40's it's just not going to happen at banks this year. Paul