Paul_detrick

I agree, is it Vantage everyone hates or just all the people? Rock is Rock. Or is it the way the routes have been set up, too many bolts? too close together? Don't blame the area for a few people's actions. Talk down about people but not the rock.

O.K Steve was trying to be nice,by letting people know whats going on with the steers, but who cares what they do at camp long,it's the Ice cicle and Pestashin, and even Vantage I care about, they hog the whole area all day. That tends to piss people off. If you put up 20 top ropes and don't let anyone else on than that sucks.

If it's junk rock why would you want to learn there? The stuff falls a part all by it shelf, I can't belive it's a great place to learn. I hope no one was below them, they must have been yelling ROCK all day. K.C.D.S

No wonder rates are so high.

Thank you Jon that was the point I was trying to make, no one wants trees cut, water damed, but they want a house and have lights too. It has to come from somewhere.

nicely said from someone NOT from eastern washington.

It rains 7 inchs a year at this shithole, but we have lots of water for crops, because someone had the forsight to build a big dan that nobody wanted. Now we grow more crops than most states, and the project is not complete. And where do you think all your power comes from, I'll bet alot of it comes from just north of our shithole, so what our state should do is cut your ass off and than see how you like it. I wish they would come up here, if they can bulid a place like the Gorge, and we deal with it, we could use the taxes from that plant. A resident of Grant Co.

Sorry to hear of your loss,but if there is a lesson to learn don't leave gear in the car, it's not safe anywhere, punks now know that climbing gear is worth bucks, I hope the ranger can help you out. Paul

Erik, I could not have said it better, I have 2 metolious 2 Friends and 8 camalots, I have had the metolious invert in cracks before, what a bitch to get out, camalots will not do this, and if they do walk back in a crack too far they become passive pro which has been mention. I don't own any smaller than .5 , my friends are smaller than that, so I use nuts. 2 cents worth. Paul

Weather was great today at Vantage, lots of people, but I guess there's no where else to go. No sign of mountainsteers,but lots of boneheads. Paul

If you bivi next to the road it's camping. Paul

The Mole in the icecicle canyon up past Yellowjacket Tower, bad shit, coming down was'nt much better. Paul

u got 2 be kidding me, more censorship, get a life deal with it. Paul

It may be cold, but not that cold, day time highs are in the 40's it's just not going to happen at banks this year. Paul

For Iceclimbing I have a set of Bigfins from BD, they quit making them a couple years back, BD needs to bring these back, no problem cliping them with gloves on. Paul

Nicely said.

see post under ice conditions golden. Paul

I would be happy to try and help you out,(copy out of my book)or tell you the info. I know. Paul p.s. send a P.M.

Just got back monday,had a great time, hard not too why kool, Lady Killer in, big and fat,a must do, Pretty Nuts in,good shape, Waterworks in, good shape,Essondale in, left and right. Drove over to Field, Pilsner Piller was not down, nor Carlsberg Column, upper pitches were formed, Silk Tassel was not in, Masseys was in but looked not as good as years past, look like there was not much snow near Field, so that could explain routes poor shape. Overall temps. hung around 18f. If you plan on going Marys motel in Golden is the place to stay, kitchenet units avilable, nice rooms. Paul

standing at the bottom and saying this looks easy-not ripping gator with crampon being weak and worthless(allways) Paul

It was nice and warm there to day, if the ice won't form than i'll climb in the sun. Paul

Chris you have the wrong climb, the professer is the frist climb you come to after coulee city, in the book its marked wrong, where were you climbing right past the millon dollar mile, those are differnt climbs. just thought you might like to know. Paul

the cpt's right , there is no ice. Paul

O.K. here go's, I help teach the mountain steers, climbing course in Wenatchee, there are some good people with them. Our classes are small, about 6 to 10 people, we have had the same problems in the icecicle as i've heard here,it's not the steers, it's all you 206'ers, theres just too many of you. So I think you should all stop Fucking til eastern Washington catches up. We held our carvase rescue at Rainer, and they told us to leave,but they come over here and act like they own the place. I don't know if we will have a class or not this year, but if they do I will help out, I just like to teach people something I love to do. We just don't have all the bullshit. Paul

The twist were ok til you had to set a peice of pro, you eiter had to try and untwistwith the tool in, or take a gamble it would not fall off, if you let it hang, there not bad,for your set arm, but than you need some other kind of leash, for your other arm, I use the simmon's trac up hand slides in and out easy, and locks down easy. Paul