Paul_detrick

Yes the rope was cut. It was found on the ground after everyone left.

Than some time we need a real eastside pub meeting

Henry is that you? How's the dog's? We have more can's whenever your ready.

Hey another climber from ephrata wow. This is a hard subjuct, Göran is the only person to have died from a fall at Vantage, so I don't have no problem with something at the base of the climb. I hope there is no need for more. Bill was a big part of Vantage but he did not die there. If someone wanted to do something for Bill I think a place by the greeter board would be kool. IMHO

O.K if your going to call it eastside you need to go over them hills. How bout E brug the Tav.

Oh and my parner has the end that Koopp was tied in too, the only thing on it is 60 meters, but I've seen it and felt it and I would say it was a dynamic(ps).

Clyde nice post, you see it like I do, but I will wait til all testes are done to see if thats true.One thing the #3 was the frist piece to pull, for whatever reason. I don't know how high it was, but no more than his ht. which i heard was 6'4. the #2 could have been 10 to 15 ft. below. Like to keep the facts correct.

The #2 was set well,yes it could have been pull in to the side of the crack and the gate open,thus making it fail. I have not been back, but if I get some time I will look for the rest of the biner. Im glad you are working thru this, and wish you the best. I don't know who said it but they were right, things like this make me more aware that I need to watch what I'm doing. PEACE

I've been working and have not had time to post, but the person who help me pull the gear has a end of the rope, and will call me once he gets home and I will post info. I belive erden has it right. the #3 would have been the top peice up by the small ledge which is where the climb gets wide, above this you would need a #4 or big hex(#11) it would seem this peice pulled and than the biner broke on the #2. This peice was set great, I would have done the same. This peice was five to ten feet below the ledge. I do not know how much lower the next peice, which I would think is the #1 was. But I think we are talking about a good bit. It could have been enought to pull it out. I belive Kevin was right and they did not walk out. After reading erden's post and being down there, this looks like the chain of action. Sometime there are no answers and things just happen out of our control.

Yes camp, just like hotwires, they look fairly new.

I pulled two pieces of gear from the route today. There was a old number 2 camalot near the top of the climb, it had a draw with ony one biner. If there was a broken one at the botton, I would say that it failed. The tcu had the same draw. Camp

Are those Cascade Climbers shoes? He's looking for them.

Trask, you would'nt happen to have the scratch and sniff issue, they put out years ago would you?

O.K I have been climbing awhile, and I have yet to need a cell phone. You should be taking in to account that you might be late. What time do you tell the people who are waiting for you ? what it says in the guide book? I have allways made it to a phone before the dead line WE set. YOU DON"T NEED A PHONE. They do have there uses. But please.

Winter, that was the best reply yet.

O.k.here's my 2 cents, I have climbed in Omak and there are great climbs there, but Mitch is right,access is tight. Most of the guys who climb there don't want no one else there. They are concern it could become a Vantage. There are nice bolted climbs, but noone wants it to get out of hand. If you want to climb there you need to get with a local, and then don't take all your buds back.

I think pee wee herman would be more correct, for you boys.

Thanks

And I did climb at Index once, kool place. Im not a hardass, but I led that frist time, so it can't be that hard.

I have never got in to this, because it has never made much sence. If you love to climb, it don't matter what form it comes in. In the end its TO THY OWN SHELF BE TRUE. No body else cares. BBBBut I do say please do not bolt cracks, nothing else needs to be said.

Im going to keep bringing this back to the top, until someone says there going to come. And I don't mean that kind.

You guys are talking about a relay, cme warm up and get in shape at the burn. more info. www.signmeup.com 15347

O.K. all you climbers here's a race for you,the beezley burn in Ephrata Wa. on Saturday september 28, at 10am.10 k course with a 800 ft. climb in a mi. than a jog down a cow trail, how's that for fun. Not just a ordinary race. COME HAVE FUN. For all you wineer's there's a 5 k to the top and back. Really kool t-shirts.

O.K Doug I will

M F you should bring her on the relay.