Paul_detrick

Thanks Pinhead,(joking)Most of the routes I saw looked kool and I can't wait to try them, maybe this weekend, if all the ice is gone. Im glad to hear that people would be willing to change routes to make them more (careful) stylist. Like I said in my frist post I like to clip bolts. Maybe the routes I saw were changed after they were frist put up. So I would be willing to talk to you or anyone on which routes I think should be changed, I just don't like to see bolts one foot away from a good looking cam or nut placement.

I must confess I don't know shit about the water table around banks lk. But I do know( from past years) what we need when I drive thru there. There is not as much water coming off all the routes as in past years, drauht or something else I don't know. This is the earlyist I have seen Ice form, at least to the size it is now. Pray for the cold to stick around and we could have a great season.

We need some if its going to get fat, but this could be a good start, just depends on the temps.

I love to clip bolts, but the routes there seemed to me to be in poor style, bolts were placed right next to cracks, which were big enought for a #1 camalot. And not just on one route. Why would someone put bolts in like that after all that has been said on it? I think it needs to be looked at.

Check it out today and there is ice at the punchbowl, deathsicles were too big for me to want to go under. Better hurry if you want to try it, they say it's going to warm up.

Lambone are you thinking new line?

There's ice at the North end of soap lk. might have to drive up the canyon this weekend and check it out.

You guys crack me up.

The 2nd pitch of Falling Falls, left side. The ice ran out and was in a jungle, tyed some webbing around some tree parts laying over the edge, after my parner climbs up and checks it out,they are not atached to the tree. He had a few things to say.

I don't see the legal connection, I thought people just wanted to know what happen, so it could be avoided next time.

Get well soon, did you make the Mole?

K what's the point?

Mitch, I seen the rope but I can't remember which it was. My parner is down in yos. climbing and won't be back til monday. Erden the rope was cut by the rescuers before they took him away. As soon as he gets back I will take a more careful look at it.

Yes the rope was cut. It was found on the ground after everyone left.

Than some time we need a real eastside pub meeting

Henry is that you? How's the dog's? We have more can's whenever your ready.

Hey another climber from ephrata wow. This is a hard subjuct, Göran is the only person to have died from a fall at Vantage, so I don't have no problem with something at the base of the climb. I hope there is no need for more. Bill was a big part of Vantage but he did not die there. If someone wanted to do something for Bill I think a place by the greeter board would be kool. IMHO

O.K if your going to call it eastside you need to go over them hills. How bout E brug the Tav.

Oh and my parner has the end that Koopp was tied in too, the only thing on it is 60 meters, but I've seen it and felt it and I would say it was a dynamic(ps).

Clyde nice post, you see it like I do, but I will wait til all testes are done to see if thats true.One thing the #3 was the frist piece to pull, for whatever reason. I don't know how high it was, but no more than his ht. which i heard was 6'4. the #2 could have been 10 to 15 ft. below. Like to keep the facts correct.

The #2 was set well,yes it could have been pull in to the side of the crack and the gate open,thus making it fail. I have not been back, but if I get some time I will look for the rest of the biner. Im glad you are working thru this, and wish you the best. I don't know who said it but they were right, things like this make me more aware that I need to watch what I'm doing. PEACE

I've been working and have not had time to post, but the person who help me pull the gear has a end of the rope, and will call me once he gets home and I will post info. I belive erden has it right. the #3 would have been the top peice up by the small ledge which is where the climb gets wide, above this you would need a #4 or big hex(#11) it would seem this peice pulled and than the biner broke on the #2. This peice was set great, I would have done the same. This peice was five to ten feet below the ledge. I do not know how much lower the next peice, which I would think is the #1 was. But I think we are talking about a good bit. It could have been enought to pull it out. I belive Kevin was right and they did not walk out. After reading erden's post and being down there, this looks like the chain of action. Sometime there are no answers and things just happen out of our control.

Yes camp, just like hotwires, they look fairly new.

I pulled two pieces of gear from the route today. There was a old number 2 camalot near the top of the climb, it had a draw with ony one biner. If there was a broken one at the botton, I would say that it failed. The tcu had the same draw. Camp