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I am definitely going to try and come to it. I always try to make it for fundraisers for PMR. Plus, I 've never been to the new LL. I do not think my feelings on MLUs will be adissenting opinion with the company this event will be keeping. PMR has come out publicly against the legislation proposed for carrying MLUs. I agree that they help and feel they have a purpose, just not through Legislation.

I am. That is good that money go to Dove-Lewis though.....

Although I do find it a bit interesting that the corporate sponsors gave money t o Velvet's vet bills but nothing to Christina Redl's hospital bills. Maybe it was becasue Velvet had no choice in the matter?

Sour grapes? I wouldn't wish that kind of media attention, guilt, or climbing community hatred they will face if that MLU Bill passes on anyone!

You said the corporate sponsors did. $10,000 for the dog's hospitalization. Who does the money go to? I doubt velvet has a savings account to direct deposit to and I doubt that velvet is responsible for her vet bills. If payment did not go directly to the owner, then it benefits the owner because he is no longer on the hook for the $10,000 vet bill. Hence, they rewarded the dog's owner as he directly benefits from it......

Depends on the avi conditions, but this is a good time to get out if you are willing to work for it. Approaches can be really long and Sping weather can be a hit or miss.

Good for the corporate sponsors to reward PMR and the dog, although I am not so sure you should reward the dog's owner for doing what they did. Anyone see the Ellen show? How did it go down?

Ice: Tim Garland on the first ascent of 2nd on the Left, Strobach Mountain Humor: Basecamp Mullet - donning a mullet, wife-beater, and a Sturgis t-shirt with acid-washed jeans after summiting Denali

Megamid, by far!

I actually just had to send these gloves back to BD because after one weekend of climbing with them, the seems started to rip apart from placing screws. I would like any info. on this. Otherwise this will not be the only pair of BD gloves I send back....

It was also god to hear matty's perspective on what happened up there. Sounds like he will think twice about some of his decisions in the mountains and maybe give the cascades, especially in the winter, a little more respect. Hopefully, their appearance on the Ellen Degeneres show will not further fuel the fire with regards to the MLUs issue in Salem and that they can now admit that they were not prepared to get themselves off the mountain safely. If he uses his statements frm his account on Ellen, then I hope he takes a stand on the MLUs, but he probably won't. mybe it will simply be a feel-good story about velvet the wonder dog, but if it gets sensationalized, then maybe these folks will not have the gumption or ability to say on national tv that they were at fault, that they decided not to listen to the weather reports, and that they did not have the proper skills to get themselves out of the bad situation. Glad to hear everyone recovered and also glad to hear that matty does feel responsible for putting his dog in that situation. Finally, I am glad they are doing something for PMR. I may have to bring my pointer, Lizzie down there for that event!

Article here Interesting article on a climber from Hood River about ascending the North Face of the Eiger after his father died on the route 40 years ago. Might be fun to check out the new IMAX film which opens this Friday at OMSI.

10 years ago, when I was right out of college and just starting out in mountaineering, I did their Ecuador volcanoes trip with Eli Helsmuth. They were awesome folks and I had a blast. I am still climbing and Eli and co. got me wanting more. Eli has since left for CO. Mountain School, but if all guides are on his level, then your friends would have a blast. But if your friends have the glacier skills to climb Rainier alone and basic snow camping skills, then they should do it themselves...

Two years during spring break, I went to Bishop. You have the Owens River Gorge for sport, you have bouldering in the Happy, Sads, and Buttermilks, you have ice climbing in Lee Vining, and you may get some sweet alpine trad depending on route and weather. Plus, there are tons of hot springs and a great crowd in the campground. Climbing ice one day and then climbing sport in the sun with shorts and no shirt the next was one of the coolest things I've ever done.....

Arch, it sounds like you would be interested in donating to a local or regional land trust to help conserve open spaqce around you community. There are a lot of them around Seattle. The Nature Conservancy is intgernational so while they are the largest environmental non-profit in the world, your dollars may not go to protecting or restoring a parcel in your area. I'd look at this map to determine the land trust in your back yard. Plus, you will be invited to go out onto the lands you helped to conserve and listen to interesting speakers. It is a great bunch of people.

I don't know about the whole east coast. If I ever moved back, it would definitely be to the mountains of NC. Granted nothing glaciated or sharp spires, but huge granite domes, sweet multi-pitch trad climbing, out of this world overhanging sport climbing, sick rivers for kayaking, cheaper cost of living, better food, and hotter women by far, although that doesn't say much since this is the PNW. The beer is not as good though, but you also have Waffle House. Biking on the Blue Ridge Parkway is incredible and the people are nicer and easier to get to know. The fishing is so-so, but the saltwater blows away anything we have here. Marlin, dorado, cobia, tarpon, redfish, sails, kingfish, wahoo......Can't get anything like that out here. You also have to deal with more sprawl, but who doesn't in smaller communities here in the PNW? Seattle is one of the sprawliest cities in the country! Still, you can't beat our summer weather, the amount of snow, and the recreation within such close proximity. Hence why I am still here. But for back east, Western NC or Chatanooga, TN is where its at! They do outcompete many locations here in the PNW. For example if I was forced to live in either Eugene or Cashiers, NC, I would go for Cashiers. Actually, come to think of it, there are only a few places that I could tolerate in the PNW over the mountains of NC/Asheville area: Portland, Bellingham, Bend, Hood River and maybe Leavenworth or Mazama, but Mazama is too small and the whole Bavarian thing might annoy me after a while in L-town....... Alaska has too many crazy people, but I do love AK!

hrm was sick on Saturday as well as lower Newton. Some of the best snow conditions I've skied in Oregon in a while!

Look in the freshies and ice sections for OR instead of Cascades. Probably won't see anything in OR until rock and spring mts. come in.....

I think I am going crazy. I cannot, for the life of me, remember who posted the link to the Big Four ski descent video by the Hummels and philfort last spring. Little help please? the edited version is what i amlooking for. Thanks in advance.

Yeah, Body Glide is the stick roll-on I was referring to. Although I am not sure how well it would work in the crotch. hence the chamoise Buttr. One issue with Chamoise butter though is that it may be difficult to get out of clothes. Reaed the label first. it comes out of tri-shorts, but cxan gum up the butt pad a little over time.

I've never had a problem with chafffing when climbing, but to prevent chaffing during triathlon, there is a stick you can buy that goes on like roll-on deodorant that prevents chaffing around the creases in your wetsuit. Also, i use Chamois Butter (find at any bike store) for long century rides and this prevents chaffing as well.

Thanks Cluck. That does clear up a few things. I felt a rope would probably be necessary in those conditions. The slopes really changed from the dsay before in that area. I still find it hard to believe that there is anywhere in that area with a 500 ft. continuous drop. You tied 3 50 meter ropes together? Where is this on the mountain? just up and right of the top of the Palmer? or below, elevation wise? Kevbone, read the first sentence in my last post. You cliam that you know more information about this incident than anyone on this board, implying that you have detailed info. with regards to all of the speculation being flung on this site. aeither you know or you don't know anything more than we do. Obviously, from your last two posts, you don't know.

Don’t know ask them Don’t know ask them Don’t know ask them Don’t know ask them Don’t know ask them Don’t know ask them So you pretend like you know all of the answers and claim that you know more than we do, but when I ask you basic questions you can't answer them? Do you ride the short bus? Barkerews, thanks for the reply.

So since you are friends with these hikers, then please answer a few questions for us: Why did they not navigate back to T-line using the GPS? Why did they stay when they knew there was a big storm coming in? Why did they not descend White River Canyon? Seems like very minor injuries to me and not hard to get lost in that canyon down to the snowpark. Why are they claiming they fell 500 ft? if you look at a map there is not a continuous 500 foot loss in elevation between the main south slope and the bottom of white river canyon anywhere from below the Devil's Kitchen down to Timberline Lodge. Why did they have crampons on while descending a moderate snow slope while it was snowing? (I was up on Hood on Saturday and know what the conditions were like the day before) What was the mountaineering experience of all of the hikers? Please answer all of these questions all-knowing one.....

Kevbone, you are an idiot. You do not know what you are talking about with regards to anything involving stuff besides rock, so you are the one you needs to STFU. It is embarassing a nd I feel sorry for you. If they were climbers in the sense of having snow skills then they would not have done the things they did. For example Bone, if you were at Smith and saw someone wearing their harness backwards or backclipping every draw, or belaying incorrectly, you would think, "They don't know what the hell they are doing." Right? So, when I hear that the climbers were wearing crampons descending from I Saddle in a snowstorm, I think the same thing. Same goes for having a GPS unit and not knowing how to navigate down with it. The being roped up part I might be able to understand in a complete whiteout so as not to lose any members of the group. The whole situation just reeks of Recreational Darwinism. Unfortunately, it happens way to often on Mt. Hood. I've seen worse for sure. I even was criticized for writing a stupid article about it in some climbing rag several years ago. But keep in mind, Bone, the only way people become better climbers is to learn from experiences and learning from people more skilled then they are. They forgot about the latter. As regards to the Fair and Balanced comment, I was joking, of course.....It was more to point out that, while stereotypical, it does lump most media sources all into one....