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Maybe for the same reason it is NOT OK to log old growth, but it is OK to use toilet paper made from wood from some tree farm down in Alabama?

Do cell-speakerphone hookups exist? If so, we could set one up so Crackhead could attend drinking illegally obtained beer in his college-student hole

That's gotta be the scariest climb to ever attain "cc.com flav-o-the-month" status . What could possibly top it? Nice report. Thanks!

Better do the "save as Web page, complete" on that one. It'll be a collector's item.

I banned him

Correlation does not imply causation. I think it is also plausible that you enjoy swearing in the five-star threads.

What I read in your statement was that we were forced to invade Iraq because they refused to comply with our demands, and that it didn't matter what our demands were. We were asking them to dig their own grave before we shot them. I find it funny that you feel we were justified to invade because they refused to lay there and enjoy it. If you meant something else, then please elaborate!

"I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees!" An oft lauded statement of heroism is now a justification for invasion.

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Hmm...I just looked at that study again after your comments and it wasn't a case-control like I thought. You are right, the control group is kinda screwy. Makes it hard to rule out the illnesses prompting the AB's being the culprit. All those people who got preventive Cipro after the anthrax deal might be a pretty good cohort to test this question. If those people have a higher rate of tendonopathies than the general population, you'd have to believe it because they are almost a random sample. Well, maybe not, they're all postal workers probably. Maybe this will "show" Cipro causes you to work really damn slow . Ten bucks says you've overextended your hyperbole there chief!

"But this one goes to 11" Fun report. Thanks

Go Dubya! And take Cheney with you!

I was skiing down some blue-square groomer run (greenback)with my kids (6 and 8) the other day at Crystal and this guy on a board is sideslipping straightdown the whole way. He wasn't churning up the powder or anything evil like that, but I just couldn't resist telling him, "Hey, that looks like fun!" as my munchkins zipped on down. He wasn't amused .

Colt, Agreed that one should be wary of "advice" from a law firm in this case, that is why I clearly marked where the info was from. Two comments though. First do you think that a legal firm would print this stuff on a webpage, potentially impugning huge rich corporations, if there was a chance they could be successfully sued for slander or libel or whatever the relevant crime would be in this case if they just made this stuff up. Second, before impugning the motives of lawyers for the reason of potential to make millions, you better think about the drug companies and how much they stand to make. That argument definitely cuts both ways. Here's the abstract of a review article abstract from Pub-Med. Mentions NSAID's interactions with respect to seizures (not tendinitis I guess). Here's a full article in the British Medical Journal (BMJ. 2002 Jun 1;324(7349):1306-7) presenting the results of a case-control study investigating the fluoroquinolone tendinopathy connection. I'm not sure this article is fully available to everyone so here's the summary ("comment" section) "Current exposure to fluoroquinolones increases the risk of Achilles tendon disorders. This finding is in agreement with a smaller study, in which we found an association between tendinitis and fluoroquinolones. Our results indicate that this adverse effect is relatively rare, with an overall excess risk of 3.2 cases per 1000 patient years. The effect seems to be restricted to people aged 60 or over, and within this group concomitant use of corticosteroids increased the risk substantially. The proportion of Achilles tendon disorders among patients with both risk factors that is attributable to their interaction was 87%. Although the mechanism is unknown, the sudden onset of some tendinopathies, occasionally after a single dose of a fluoroquinolone, suggests a direct toxic effect on collagen fibres. Prescribers should be aware of this risk, especially in elderly people taking corticosteroids." Guess maybe that one was too recent for MNeagle's micromedex. You'd think that something important like that, that many many doctors use as their only source of information about drugs, would have a reference to a well-done case-control study done a year ago in a reputable journal. Funny. I believe your quote may indicate that caution with regard to seizures is advised. Doc's please correct me if I'm wrong. What makes a case report meaningless? Don't expect the drug companies to fund long-term studies to investigate and announce all harmful effects. The only way negative information is going to get out is via case reports. Do a search in PubMed for fluoroquinolones & tendon, you will find a wealth of "meaningless" case reports in peer-reviewed journals. You are correct here. This is not a straightforward issue. Don't expect your doctor to know everything. Especially don't expect the drug companies to volunteer negative information about their drugs. As a climber, I put a huge strain on my tendons. They are banged up enough as it is. You may think you are young and it won't affect you, then go ahead, make Bayer's day! There is a case report out there about some guy (on a fluoroquinolone concommitant with a steroid I think) who ruptured BOTH achilles tendons bending down to change his VCR tape! You being a climber are probably not as disheveled as this guy, but you are putting a much greater strain on your tendons too. I think it's food for thought. I don't think it can be easily dismissed by saying "all drugs have side effects".

Yeah Titus Canyon. That was the curvy canyon we drove on the East side. We did the Saline Valley Road and Titus Canyon with my old '84 GTI Rabbit. We followed the advice of this Tomboy chick gas-station attendant, "Ride the high center". Cruising up the Saline Valley Road at dusk sitting on top of the car (via the sunroof) and drinking beer, that was cool.

We drove up the Saline Valley Road and car camped way out in the middle of nowhere one time. That was a cool adventure. Might be closed now, might also be more civilized. It was on the West side of the Park, heading North from the main entrance road coming in from the West then curving East to the northern section of Death Valley. Goes by someplace called "Devil's Racetrack". Also, there's a big curvy canyon that descends into Death Valley from the East we drove down that too. Fun.

From this link. Truth in Advertising: it's a law firm that's currently working on the above-mentioned class-action. "Compounding the problem is that there are numerous drugs which should not be taken in combination with fluoroquinolones. There are increased risks of injury when fluoroquinolones are taken in combination with corticosteriods (e.g.: Prednisone, Flovent, Nasarel, Azmacort, Advair Disku, Methylprednisolone Dospak, Elocon Cream, Desoximetasone Cream, and Sterapred) and when taken in combinations with non-steroidal anti-inflamatory drugs (NSAIDs) (e.g.: Motrin, Pamprin, Aleve, Advil, and Ibuprofen, among others). Physicians are frequently not aware of these contraindications and prescribe dangerous combinations of drugs which cause severe injuries to their patients. Physicians may also not be able to identify that their patient is suffering an adverse reaction and instruct them to continue to take more fluoroquinolones resulting in very serious and perhaps preventable injuries."

Peter, Your link discusses an out-of-context quote made by one party. Scroll down a few inches and read that your link provides some information leading to validity of the Bush administration labelling the threat as "imminent". This quote found by clicking on a link at Peter's link: October 16, 2002 QUESTION: Ari, the President has been saying that the threat from Iraq is imminent, that we have to act now to disarm the country of its weapons of mass destruction, and that it has to allow the U.N. inspectors in, unfettered, no conditions, so forth. MR. FLEISCHER: Yes.

I have been looking into this more. There are many case reports available in PubMed about fluoroquinolone-induced tendonitis and tendon rupture. Mostly the people are old who get the tendon rupture, but apparently it is suspected that the effects could be intensified by steroid use, and NSAID use, both medications commonly used to treat tendon problems. In some cases the symptoms persisted 6 months after the patient discontinued the drug. There is currently a class-action lawsuit going on by a lot of the people who took a bunch of Cipro (probably preventive vs Anthrax) and are having tendon problems. The basis of the suit is that Bayer deceptitvely markets the drug and downplays the side effects. Apparently doctors are not always aware of the contraindications for Cipro and NSAIDS.

I'll resize it for you.

I still wanna know if a hermaphodite conceived a child with itself would the offspring be a clone?

Erf you are too confident. Confidence like this will be our downfall. My "question" will be the ultimate refuge for the "warmongers". "They did what was best for US". Think Ollie North. Alternate tacks need to be enouraged. The prez lied for a good cause defense is already in place. Unless proof comes out establishing some base motive like "oil for profit" (don't hold your breath), GWB will easily survive this minor flap.

"That's not a thread, it's your arm!"

CBS, From what I read, he did not embarrass BushCo too bad. We all see the headline "Tenet: No immediate threat" or imminent or whatever, but if you read more of his comments he did say he was convinced that Sadam was dangerous and that he conveyed that to the President. I think the headline is a distortion of the truth and is one checkmark in PP's column toward liberal bias in the media (though I think it still can be chalked up to sensationalistic bias in the media). Also, why would it surprise you if Tenet is trying to hurt GWB? It seems to me that BushCo has been trying to play the intelligence community as a scapegoat for a while now, as well as outing one of their agents? BushCo is not making friends at the CIA. Finally, I think Tenets remarks, in full, get back to my question. I think many people's best guesses may well have been that Sadam was dangerous, but they just didn't have the smoking gun. BushCo is an agressive administration, emboldened by 9/11. Is it really so bad to tell a lie to further something you truly believe is in everybody's best interest?