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Although I voted for her, Patty Murray's pre-1992 resume is so thin, she makes Sarah Palin appear to be head of NASA and the UN

Second best post of this thread

The best post of this thread.

Is it because Paris is "pay to poo"? Downtown Seattle was frre to poo, so the outhouses became the choice for street bums and whores

Why did it take sooo long? The one having the most fun

Odd quote by Scott Cosgrove there at that link. I assume that both Scott Cosgrove's are one in the same. The stuntman looks a little different from the Scott I knew, but the quote by Scott Cosgrove the stuntman is almost entirely about himself, and have little to do with little Jackie

You're just saying that. You still want to know what I say about you and your posts, because you're like everyone else on these boards. You are about you

You're right. It isn't your fault that you are slightly challenged. It's all that radioactive drinking water you guzzle

Sounds like the talk of a loser. Like some little intellectual pip-squeek who decided to battle a giant and lost. Loser

Bring it! And excuses are like assholes, everyone has one. Simple fact is I dominated you intellectually

Earlier discussion It is all just legal posturing through their lap dog DPM

And many non-competes are judgesd to be non-enforceable. It is unlikely that the "trade" secrets which are alledged to have been proffered from Mad Rock amounts to a hill of beans. It is not like the R&D department of Mad Rock is anything akin to that of MSFT or Boeing. It is probably more likely a copy, caliper and reverse engineer operation

A rather good synopsis of the reality, and how it affects climbing gear as a whole. Bottom feeders fighting amoung themselves for some rotten flounders Not needed

Back to the original subject; this sort of thing is actually common, and that is why there is a tort and court system. Deadpoint magazine has apparently taken sides. I would imagine that the truth is murkier than DPM makes it appear. This subject is actually rather old, and was first beat upon here (?) and at Supertopo probably a year ago. Based on their products, I always assumed that Mad Rock was going for the WalMart crowd, not too much (if any) innovation in their stuff - just a good price point. I'm sure Climb X will follow this model of producing crap at a cheap price.

Like just I told you Sobo

http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/873436/1

Long, round and full of seamen

Thankyou Mark for leaking the truth behind what is going on there. It's interesting to listen to the Leavenworth cabal put their own tilted spin on their one-world government bullshit. Bob is all that stands between us and the heavy hand of government. I say "Thank you Bob, you are a true American"

Would probably cause some rockfall, dislodge a lot of material and loosen up what solid rock there is. Goose Egg Mountain is completely incipiently jointer, and the exfoliations will no stop until the mountain is washed to the sea An idea with not a shred of credence. Right up there with needing an aluminum foil hat to stop the CIA, NSA and the UFO's from reading your brainwaves. The resultant seismic waves from nuclear testing never exceeded any of the very common micro- and minor earthquakes which affect the Cordilleran yearly

Very likely. I believe the Gingko is known to develop a good colonnade structure. What you need to do is get the maps, and carefully decipher your purposed location on the map. I believe I have walked your area more than once, with more than one of the mappers. If the quarry is where I believe it is, the stratigraphic location shown on Bob, Newell's and Jack's map is beyond reproach. These have little or nothing to do with suitability for climbing. Absorption will be based on jointing and volume of vesicles, specific gravity is a measure of density. These numbers will be common among many basalts and andesites. What is most important is the stratigraphic location and attitude of your quarry. The legal responsibilities of anyone who creates a climbing area specifically for rock climbing is something to discuss with a lawyer very seriously. If a recreational climber is injured on an unimproved cliff on your private property, there is assumed to be an amount of protection afforded you by the RCW. Like wise it could be assumed that if climbers recreationally climb on a quarry that you own, and have not quarried for the express purpose of developing rock climbing, you should be protected. An example of this would be the Lower Index Town Wall while it is (was) owned by private parties. If you quarry an area specifically to create climbing, especially in an rock as known for small to medium scale exfoliation and jointing fractures as the CRB's, I would think your legal standing and degree of indemnification is much more complicated

I believe that the correct geologic map for your area is Washington State DNR, Division of Geology and Earth Resources Open File Report 93-3. If you are on the map, it will be sheet 1. You should by my reckoning be very close to the edge of the map, and if you are west of 120*30", this map will not be applicable, but I think that WA DNR GM-29 (1983) would be

Yes, I remember giving money at the time to the American Alpine Club Access Fund. I just thought that the TPL was also very involved, and the Access Fund channel funds to the TPL. But like I said, I could be wrong. And I also joined the Access Fund specifically for the Pinnacles This will need to be beat into the heads of the Chelan County Sheriffs

If you are legit, you need to be ready to spend a not insignificant amount of money, I suggest that you contact one of several professional local geologists. They could tell you at what point in the CRBG you are in, how likely blasting will exhume climbable rock, and the general character of the basalts which comprise your parcel. The work of Newell Campbell and Steve Riedel in the CRB's has been particulary exhaustive The characteristics of the Columbia River Basalt Group vary greatly between flows, and climbing has been limited to only a few flows of the at least 47 which comprise the CRBG. In fact, I would guess that the vast majority of rock climbing in the CRBG is done on the Roza flow at several different areas. Generally, with a few notable exceptions, the best climbing on basaltic and columnar andestic rocks is on well developed colonnades. Some climbing has been done on the entablature and solid fragmented base areas. I believe that your area is comprised of the Saddle Mountain basalts, but I could be wrong. Anyone who does a professional geological analysis of your land should be a professional with errors and omissions insurance, and I would venture that any "professional route setters" you hire as rock climbing consultants or route setters should for their own protection be well insured and indemnified. It seems like a fair assumption that you will be looking for investors. If your promises to these investors, or to Yakima County fail and the area is unsuitable for rock climbing, or if much more excavation is needed to unearth claimable rock, will these investors come looking for money from your "consultants"? Safety will also have to be a much bigger concern for any professional climbing consultants you hire. Presently, because the route setters are putting up routes on public lands and receiving no payment, they are protected by the RCW. If they put up routes on your payroll, as the assumed professional, they could get sucked into any climbing related law suit. I would recommend that anyone who becomes involved in this project be well insured, and well informed of the intentions of the OP.

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