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Thankyou Mark for leaking the truth behind what is going on there. It's interesting to listen to the Leavenworth cabal put their own tilted spin on their one-world government bullshit. Bob is all that stands between us and the heavy hand of government. I say "Thank you Bob, you are a true American"

Would probably cause some rockfall, dislodge a lot of material and loosen up what solid rock there is. Goose Egg Mountain is completely incipiently jointer, and the exfoliations will no stop until the mountain is washed to the sea An idea with not a shred of credence. Right up there with needing an aluminum foil hat to stop the CIA, NSA and the UFO's from reading your brainwaves. The resultant seismic waves from nuclear testing never exceeded any of the very common micro- and minor earthquakes which affect the Cordilleran yearly

Very likely. I believe the Gingko is known to develop a good colonnade structure. What you need to do is get the maps, and carefully decipher your purposed location on the map. I believe I have walked your area more than once, with more than one of the mappers. If the quarry is where I believe it is, the stratigraphic location shown on Bob, Newell's and Jack's map is beyond reproach. These have little or nothing to do with suitability for climbing. Absorption will be based on jointing and volume of vesicles, specific gravity is a measure of density. These numbers will be common among many basalts and andesites. What is most important is the stratigraphic location and attitude of your quarry. The legal responsibilities of anyone who creates a climbing area specifically for rock climbing is something to discuss with a lawyer very seriously. If a recreational climber is injured on an unimproved cliff on your private property, there is assumed to be an amount of protection afforded you by the RCW. Like wise it could be assumed that if climbers recreationally climb on a quarry that you own, and have not quarried for the express purpose of developing rock climbing, you should be protected. An example of this would be the Lower Index Town Wall while it is (was) owned by private parties. If you quarry an area specifically to create climbing, especially in an rock as known for small to medium scale exfoliation and jointing fractures as the CRB's, I would think your legal standing and degree of indemnification is much more complicated

I believe that the correct geologic map for your area is Washington State DNR, Division of Geology and Earth Resources Open File Report 93-3. If you are on the map, it will be sheet 1. You should by my reckoning be very close to the edge of the map, and if you are west of 120*30", this map will not be applicable, but I think that WA DNR GM-29 (1983) would be

Yes, I remember giving money at the time to the American Alpine Club Access Fund. I just thought that the TPL was also very involved, and the Access Fund channel funds to the TPL. But like I said, I could be wrong. And I also joined the Access Fund specifically for the Pinnacles This will need to be beat into the heads of the Chelan County Sheriffs

If you are legit, you need to be ready to spend a not insignificant amount of money, I suggest that you contact one of several professional local geologists. They could tell you at what point in the CRBG you are in, how likely blasting will exhume climbable rock, and the general character of the basalts which comprise your parcel. The work of Newell Campbell and Steve Riedel in the CRB's has been particulary exhaustive The characteristics of the Columbia River Basalt Group vary greatly between flows, and climbing has been limited to only a few flows of the at least 47 which comprise the CRBG. In fact, I would guess that the vast majority of rock climbing in the CRBG is done on the Roza flow at several different areas. Generally, with a few notable exceptions, the best climbing on basaltic and columnar andestic rocks is on well developed colonnades. Some climbing has been done on the entablature and solid fragmented base areas. I believe that your area is comprised of the Saddle Mountain basalts, but I could be wrong. Anyone who does a professional geological analysis of your land should be a professional with errors and omissions insurance, and I would venture that any "professional route setters" you hire as rock climbing consultants or route setters should for their own protection be well insured and indemnified. It seems like a fair assumption that you will be looking for investors. If your promises to these investors, or to Yakima County fail and the area is unsuitable for rock climbing, or if much more excavation is needed to unearth claimable rock, will these investors come looking for money from your "consultants"? Safety will also have to be a much bigger concern for any professional climbing consultants you hire. Presently, because the route setters are putting up routes on public lands and receiving no payment, they are protected by the RCW. If they put up routes on your payroll, as the assumed professional, they could get sucked into any climbing related law suit. I would recommend that anyone who becomes involved in this project be well insured, and well informed of the intentions of the OP.

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I believe that it was the Trust for Public Lands which became the primary group which brought on the purchase of the Pinnacles. But I could be wrong here. But my points are: 1) I believe groups have learned from the Pinnacles experience, and that is why Index was approached differently 2) I don't know if it is reasonable to think that all a group has to do is gift some land to the Washington State Parks, and then the parks assumes the responsibility to maintain the land forever. Future budget problems were something that neither the SP's and TPL thought about in 1991. All these ideas about Community Groups taking over management of the Park is a good idea, as is the fact that early plans allowed for the continued public use of mothballed parks. The Chelan County Sheriff, and their shoot first policy will have to be notified in no uncertain terms. And be ready to listen to whining about "206ers". But what is clear is that the demographics if the Peshastin Pinnacles has radically changed since the '70's, and the primary user of this park is Chelan County locals having a picnic and pleasant hike

Ever been to Index?

Fair question, and the answer is that it is not recommended. And not because it may reflect poorly on climbers, or any of that Socialist drivel. It is not recommended because you'll probably get caught, fined and possibly thrown into the Greybar hotel. Since its inception, the Chelan County Sheriffs Department has enforced the closure of the Peshastin Pinnacles with marked Draconian glee. It is almost a certainty that you will be caught. The actions of the Chelan County Sheriffs Department played a huge roll in how the WCC approached the State Parks in their recent negotiations over the Index land purchase. If I understand correctly, Index is to be referred to as the "Stimson Bullet State Rock Climbing Reserve", and hopefully will avoid much of the land closures and heavy handed management that has befallen the Pinnacles

Which did, according to more than one biography include spousal abuse

Remove this sentence: This book was published in 2002, when Bryan was what? 47?

There was a huge amount of conflicting information regarding Mr Albert on the web yesterday. All the news was very grim. This morning Supertopo has given a link to the local PD in Germany, where the death of Kurt Albert has been confirmed ST

Cochise is a good place. The camping on the eastern side is accessed by a paved road, and has both developed and un-developed campsites. It also remains in the shade longer, both in the morning and the evening. Camping on the western approaches is typical in one of two areas: at the end of the road, and near and before the Sheepshead. The approach to the road head is burly, and can be difficult for vehicles other than light trucks and SUV's. Like the developed eastern campsite, it can be shady. The camping near the Sheepshead is on BLM rangeland and there are no "common" campsites. It is sunny from sunrise to sunset. All the western camping is 9 to 19 miles from Tombstone, and further from any store that sells more than beer, pop, and chips. Non climbing activities are limited to hiking, and probably horse (dude) back riding. Given the extensive history of the area, I'm sure there are a number of ruins around the area. Not far away is Chiricahua NM, Saguaro NP, Fort Bowie National Historic Site, the historic mining town of Bisbee, an extensive (but not open to the public) collection of helicopters on 191 south of the Interstate, the well known flight museum at/associated with Davis-Motham. One can also hang with the militia members near Douglas, and protect our southern border, as well as ogle Go-go girls and get your self a hooker near Fort Huachuca. Sidle up next to a spook at Fort Huachuca City, and find out what the Taliban is up to. Maybe even use a Predator to take out a terrorist on a iPhone app. It can be cool, but not worrisome so, and will probably be sunny

Got a stalker, or are you going to start stalking?

Don't lie, you did not get a permit, and it would be impossible to get one without a stamped set of plans. Climbing walls are considered "cabinets", and permits are not required to add cabinets, except in cases of egreess in a multi-family or commercial setting

It is not "fully accessable", to get to the breaker you have to navigate a narrow cave. That may be fine for re-setting trip circuit breakers, but anyone working on a hot box is in a dangerous situation. You could easily add doublers to either side stud, put in a hearder, and make a large removable panel which would also give you safe access as per 110.26

National Electrical Code (NEC) 110.26 Spaces around electrical equipment (2) Width of Working Space: The width of the working space in front of the electrical equipment shall be the width of the equipment or (30 in.), which ever is greater. In all cases, the work space shall permit at least 90 degrees opening of equipment doors or hinged panels. (B) Clear spaces: Working space required by the section shall not be used for storage Furthermore, most authorities having jurisdiction will require a space of 3' deep and panel width plus 18" to one side for access to an electrical panel. The location of your wall is poorly considered

Your story is heartbreaking. I hope your Snoopy dog shows up.

A interesting juxtapostion of thought Shouldn't all this be shuffled off to the Columbia River Gorge thread, since the Portland crowd has taken over this tyhread, and turned it into their own sandbox replete with toddler poo?

Not everyone agrees, there are quite a few folks that went through the trouble of taking college and even (gasp) grad school seriously, never mind the expense and lack of recognition. One thing to remember is that we spend billions on stealth and sports and squat on things like conservation, so not so fair to insult those who actually do what little work gets done. Well, I'm sorry your delicate little feelings got hurt by mean old me, much less by society at large, which fails to recognize your work. What I was trying to say, which you cannot grasp between your self sorrowful gasps of pity, is that additional work is needed to understand the affect of climbers on raptors. I apologize if you construed anything I said as an insult Except this post

There is a lost and found section, you know

Your questions are good, and I think everyone agrees that there is no sound guidelines for closures. Areas are closed "because" of falcons. I thought that the AF was going to have a real-life biologist study this problem This statement is wildly untrue. The SE face of El Cap has had seasonal closures from the Dawn Wall to the NA, starting about 1975

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