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http://grantwa.mapsifter.com/default.aspx Their system is a little more ponderous than the iMap I have used in the past. It looks like the entire main areas are safe. Some areas north of the old highway are privately held All the photographs are scenic views with a little real estate artistic license. Imagine that

This looks like a revival of a plan which was discussed a number of years ago. It shouldn't be difficult to go to the county's web-site, and get the property information, likely including a google earth image, from their assessors office. Most counties use iMap. Should take about four minutes with a fast computer. I don't have four minutes right now

Doesn't really impact climbers that I am aware of, except for some present or future choss crags. But definitely a costly impediment for motorized users of the Eatonville and Kaposwin Forests, and all users of the Snoqualmie and White River Forests. I think mountain bikers will be particularly hard hit by the Snoqualmie restrictions http://www.hancockrecreationnw.com/

I didn't read any politico bashing in Joel Connely's editorial. He laid out his own criticisms of some portions of the conservation movement, mainly that they are a roadblock (no pun intended) to recreation and use, even when compared to access levels of forty years ago. He also criticized the dogmatic nature of the NPS. His comments on Doc Hastings revolve on Hastings status as a Congressman from Washington, as well as his Chairmanship of the House Resources Committee. The inclusion of Rick Larson in the conversation is in regards to the need to garner Larson's support, and the fact the many users of USFS lands in Larson's district are angered over the Suiattle Road fiasco. Rightly or wrongly, for the expansion of NCNP to succeed, it is assumed that Maria Cantwell will be the lead politico. As such, a large degree of wheeling, dealing and diplomacy will be involved. Joel Connely is a Puget area editorialist, and as such would be expected to write for the Puget Sound metropolitan area. Would you take a (presumably conservative) editorialist writer from Tonasket to task for stating something similar about the sun rising over the Cascades if he agreed with you? I think not. I don't think that Joel Connely disagrees with you, and your axe grinding against him on this subject does not seem justified

A true hard man

I found Huxley's book either too much of a tome to read, or too much of a rehash. But I do understand that many find it a classic modern study of Scott. The other classic works are Huntford's early revisionist work "The Last Place on Earth", and Ranulph Fiennes revision on revisionism "The Race to the Pole". I found Huntford's work the clearest and most persuasive. Fiennes work was marred by the number of times he had to remind the reader that he, Fiennes, has also sledged to the pole, and as such his view of Scott's is much more accurate and knowledgeable than the milquetoast academic and journalist Huntford's work. In my opinion, Fiennes should consider fucking himself in the ass with the sharp end a ski pole (basket included). Susan Solomon's work "The Coldest March" was totally forgettable and very much akin to Joe Wilcox's "White Winds" and James Tabor's "Forever on the Mountain", and did not dissuade me in the least of my previous opinions

2/3 reviewers review another brand of tent. Can we say "reading comprehension"?

Did this ever sell?

But you just did

But you are a bear lover. And even you are smart enough to not ask for a reach around

Why should the Ranger have issued a permit in the field for impatient idiots with a huge sense of entitlement? Val Zephyr and her crew of idiots stormed out of the visitor center, and were unable to read a map or to understand simple park back country regulations. And for that, they should be rewarded by having a Ranger go out of their way to issue a BC permit? No way.

But there certainly was not any personal attacks there. There were some harsh criticism of the NPS and their policies. But also, the OP (Val Zephyr ) and her party were a bunch of idiots, and were told that in the thread. Sounds like Ranger Kevork(ian) is kinda a cry baby. They are a public servant, and if that level of review of their job performance by the general public causes them that much personal consternation, maybe it's time for them to get off the Government titty, and get wit the private sector, where I'm sure they will find things much easier and the working conditions much friendlier to their thin skin

I think the bear knew too much, and they had to get rid of him to send a message to all the other forest creatures

I have reviewed this entire thread, and there is nothing that should hurt the tender feelings of any Ranger. Kevork must have been referring to this thread http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1030925/1 Where the OP was also taken to task for being an inpatient dolt. The comments in the above thread, and in this thread mostly illustrate the concerns and frustrations that some people have, at times justly so - and at times very unjustly so, with the rigid bureaucracy of the NPS as a whole, and NCNP in particular. I think many, if not all the posts here regarding the legacy project are based in a reading of the AALP proposal, life time experiences in the Cascades and life time knowledge of the North Cascades. There has been some minor speculation, such as Fairweather's posits on the potential for day use limits at Blue Lake. But nowhere here could I find anything that I would consider as gross misinformation or personal attacks. This is an inter-net discussion. People should realize that, and after almost 20 years of inter BB, it should be realized what level of decorum is norm. I have seen nothing bad on this thread

Do not drop the soap when you're in the shower with a bear

Too bad it's a head shot. That would be an ideal starter for a masticated Euro mount

I've been back there a number of times, chiefly to Barron and Chancellor. I have never made it to Azurite, and am probably too late, given that the remediation project currently underway will result in wholesale changes to the adventuresome and historical aspects of the area. Azurite, along with the work at Monte Cristo and Alder has led some to question the cleanup of small sites which may not have very serious problems, while far larger sites continue to languish. As far as the effects of NP status on the mining, I believe that is a huge subject, with no clear answer. Much of the present mining is placer operations on claimed land. I don't know if these claims can be unilaterally ended by the US government, if the claimer's continue to follow the rules required of them. In any event, the areas where they are working is not suitable for Wilderness following the (vague) 1964 definition, and I don't begrudge these generally hobbyists miners their pleasure. The future of large scale commercial mining seems bleak, not only because of lack of large scale mineralization, but also because of environmental and safety requirements, and the cost of American labor. But a crystal ball is needed to really give an answer I was speaking about this facetiously You may want to double check some thing here, GPWA was created in 1964, so it would pre-date the NCNP. Was there actually ever a real proposal to include the Glacier Peak area into NCNP, and to roll back Wilderness protection as part of this inclusion? I would actually tend to think that there was never any real thought to ending the GPWA, especially only four years after it's creation. In any event, the creation of Wilderness inside NCNP by (?) 1970 made the whole worry obsolete. Feck can consult a expert on this history It comes down to a question of management versus protection. In Wilderness, you get a huge degree of protection, often with little obtrusive management (areas such as the Enchantments excepted). The NPS is management heavy. Some level of additional protection is warranted, but I worry about the NPS and their love of rules and regs. Since much of the area may not be suitable for Wilderness, could a designation such as "National Scenic Area", managed by the USFS afford the reasonable amount of protection, while allowing climbing, hiking, hunting and a modicum of hobby mining to continue?

Although it seems that development is unlikely, the "Headwaters of the Skagit" area contains the mining areas (or portions of) Harts Pass, Barron, Slate Creek, Chancellor and the Azurite Mine area. In fact, the Azurite Mine is undergoing a large scale Superfund cleanup. For more information on the mining history of this area, please read "Discovering Washington's Historic Mines, Volume 3" by Northwest Underground Explorations, Phil Woodhouse, Daryl Jacobson and Victor Pisoni I agree with the premise of this question. I also wonder that since this is a "legacy" project, based on portions of the initial NCNP proposals, what about the proposed visitor center at Cascade Pass which was to be serviced by a tram?

This ones for Fairweather: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016356020_rainier02m.html The Times has a front page investigation of former Mount Rainier National Park Superintendent Dave Uberuaga and his business relationship with Peter Whittaker and RMI. What it boils down to is that Uberuaga did not recuse himself from his substantial role in the review of climbing guide concessions in MRNP, even though he had sold his house to Peter Whittaker for what the Times refers to as a inflated price. Uberuaga did a very poor job in his disclosure of this sale to NP investigators. The Times quotes (probably at this point fiercely hated) competing guide service owner Eric Simonson: While I am not as seemingly alarmed as Fairweather, how Uberuaga handled all this is disconcerting. But much of this is due to the close proximity that NP staff and concessionaires live, and the length of time that Uberuaga has worked at MRNP (since 1984). While the price Whittaker paid for the house is much higher than it's assessed value, $465 K for 2+ acres along a highway into a park is not extreme, especially since we don't know the present zoning of the property, and it is across the street from Whittaker's Rainier Base Camp. The former Uberuaga property could be residential, with Whittaker basing his price on it's commercial value. The property could also be worth much more to Whittaker than any other buyer. This type of action is why you will probably see NP management scale employees move around much more, to prevent inevitable chumminess FW, I wait for your views

Presently there are no limits to day trips in MRNP, NCNP, Grand Teton or ONP. The closest Natioal Park where day use limits are enforced is Yosemite and Half Dome

Core drills are difficult to use, even in the smaller sizes, without a rigid fixture, pilot drill or hole-centering jig

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20110925/OPINION03/709259983 Many effects onto hikers, climbers and skiiers. Inclusion of the Liberty Bell massif and Golden Horn into the NP regulation mire?

No protocol. Hand drill only.

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