johndavidjr Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I assume climbers doing exclusively or even mostly high-altitude routes in arctic or sub-arctic conditions are tiny minority on this board. Maybe this is wrong. Typical summer Cascades/Sierra alpine camp is in benign weather at moderate altitude, with only real menance being mosquitos. Rock climbers have somewhat healthy tendency to shop for equipment by brand. I have moderate experience and tend to favor Black Diamond. Many climbers I meet have essentially unlimited funds and are mid-career doctors. engineers, and lawyers, and transfer this tendency to other areas: Clothing, cars, booze, restaurants........ Many non-climbers I meet have similar tendencies........ "Backpackers" per se, are idiots, pure and simple. There is absolutely nothing I can think of worse, more lame, than an "expert" backpacker giving advise to a "novice." Typically, they emphasize supposed complexity and dangers of sleeping, and the need for vast experience and expensive equipment to accomplish this. Gets creepy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Many climbers I meet have essentially unlimited funds and are mid-career doctors. engineers, and lawyers, and transfer this tendency to other areas: Clothing, cars, booze, restaurants........ Maybe that's because you live in New Jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 all people making broad generalizations are idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndavidjr Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 It's absolutely true that many climbers, at all levels, in Gunks are economically, and/or often intellectually elite. Especially those like myself (modest and poor climber) in middle age and older. Some of the very best climbers I've encountered in Washington State have been relatively poor, and weirdly humble, backwoodsmen. "Best climbers" aren't my subject. Creepy sleeping and hiking advise for boy scout-types in mild conditions is my concern. Saying that a $20 tent (basically for one person) that can be modified to weigh 2-3 pounds is laughable gives me the creeps. I've heard lots of this kind of response from "backpackers" that are highly impressed with their ability to walk and sleep, and hyper-BS concerned about "warning" people against taking a hike without "survival training" and God-knows what nonesense. The other issue is self-identification with high-price brands and consumer goods. Like, I'd NEVER buy a $4.00 bottle of wine and Budweiser is bad for morality and your resume... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 "Backwoodsmen"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Damn. I kind of liked my previous sig, butchoo gotta do whatchoo gotta do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 This all seems like it's all been done before, almost word for word....man, deja vue.... I assume climbers doing exclusively or even mostly high-altitude routes in arctic or sub-arctic conditions are tiny minority on this board. Maybe this is wrong. Typical summer Cascades/Sierra alpine camp is in benign weather at moderate altitude, with only real menance being mosquitos. Rock climbers have somewhat healthy tendency to shop for equipment by brand. I have moderate experience and tend to favor Black Diamond. Many climbers I meet have essentially unlimited funds and are mid-career doctors. engineers, and lawyers, and transfer this tendency to other areas: Clothing, cars, booze, restaurants........ Many non-climbers I meet have similar tendencies........ "Backpackers" per se, are idiots, pure and simple. There is absolutely nothing I can think of worse, more lame, than an "expert" backpacker giving advise to a "novice." Typically, they emphasize supposed complexity and dangers of sleeping, and the need for vast experience and expensive equipment to accomplish this. Gets creepy. It's absolutely true that many climbers, at all levels, in Gunks are economically, and/or often intellectually elite. Especially those like myself (modest and poor climber) in middle age and older. Some of the very best climbers I've encountered in Washington State have been relatively poor, and weirdly humble, backwoodsmen. "Best climbers" aren't my subject. Creepy sleeping and hiking advise for boy scout-types in mild conditions is my concern. Saying that a $20 tent (basically for one person) that can be modified to weigh 2-3 pounds is laughable gives me the creeps. I've heard lots of this kind of response from "backpackers" that are highly impressed with their ability to walk and sleep, and hyper-BS concerned about "warning" people against taking a hike without "survival training" and God-knows what nonesense. The other issue is self-identification with high-price brands and consumer goods. Like, I'd NEVER buy a $4.00 bottle of wine and Budweiser is bad for morality and your resume... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 jdjr has to be some bizarre troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 The last two posts seemed computer generated. They made no sense whatsoever, but I got an exceptional sig out of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hey, have you checked out my new sig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Feel free to comment on it. The new sig, I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 The exceptional one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 I can be as brief and pointless as JayB is verbose and point...ful, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Whistling now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 This thread was never going to go anywhere, but I suspect it's not even going to get that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Do you have one of those keyboards that generates heat when you type? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 no but i have one that generates porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirp Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 backwoodsmen?! I fucking love TAD! [video:youtube]il066mCId1s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 The last two posts seemed computer generated. They made no sense whatsoever, but I got an exceptional sig out of the deal. I thought your last sig was more apropo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Looks like JDJr is sip'n the sauce again I wonder if he is really a WalMart CEO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_rutl Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_rutl Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 this very important thread should be made a sticky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/edm/1357508328.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 LOL! Saved for posterity G-spotter: "Originally Posted: Thu, 3 Sep 19:17 MDT Leduc Walmart Hottie - m4w Date: 2009-09-03, 7:17PM MDT You were a delicious BBW with a stained white t-shirt & a half a dozen kids in tow, I was sporting a skullet with a HD jean vest & short cut-offs. You offered me a dart from your fresh deck & I refused as I don't smoke menthols. I would love to reconsider that offer, and by the way that wasn't my old lady with me that was my parole officer. * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests PostingID: 1357508328" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Sounds like that dude erected his Wal-mart puptent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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