leejams Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Wondering if anyone has these and are they worth buying? Thanx. http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT<>prd_id=482941&bmUID=1041191465151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleblebleb Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 I'm curious too. How do they compare with the MSR Denalis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin_Ristau Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Looks complicated - why be length adjustable if you are not improving floatation? The binding looks good though. MSR Denali's are proven to be bomber, lots of traction and they can take a lot of abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 There is more than one type of grivel snowshoe. One style has crampons already while the other assumes you will have some on. The grivel snowshoes are good and grip better than my msr ones. Anybody wanna trade for the ones that come without crampons for my denali classic msrs? Violino is a multi-purpose snowshoe that may be used on a variety of mountain terrains. The snowshoe binding may be attached directly to crampons while the crampons are on the boots, allowing confident use on steep icy slopes. Transition from snowshoes to crampons at the base of a route is safe and effortless. Heel lifters reduce calf-muscle strain on steep inclines. The Violino may be adjusted to most boot sizes. It can be split into two smaller sections to carry in your pack. VIOLINO is still one of the lightest snow shoes on the market. 1690 gr 54,49 ozs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleblebleb Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Increasing the length will improve the flotation, although not as much as if you could increase the surface. There is also a different binding, for using without crampons. The crampon-compatible binding doesn't work without crampons I think, and maybe not with all crampons either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 There is a simple kit that can be had to change between the two types of snowshoes actually. I believe also that they would fit on most any crampon out there. By going to the grivel website you can view more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leejams Posted December 30, 2002 Author Share Posted December 30, 2002 Cpt. Caveman thanks for the picture and info. They say a picture is worth a thousand words and true in this case. I was a bit confused with the talk of crampons etc... as I had only seen the picture with the binding. Now It makes sense and I like the part that they are the lightest and can be broken down. I think I may get a pair. As you know the ones I have now are great for flat terrain and powder snow. Yeah right, just where can that be found in the cascades haha, except maybe the forest service roads. Also have been checking 0ut those DMM ice tools and seem fair enough price. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Does PMS have these in the shop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodchester Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Increasing the length will improve the flotation, although not as much as if you could increase the surface. Not sure if I understand your statement. If you increase the length you will increase the surface. Did you mean increase the width? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 The surface area won't increase if the length is increased by moving the rear part back on a rail, as it appears to happen with the Grivel snowshoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleblebleb Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 When you add the tails to the Denalis you're increasing the length and the surface, but when you lengthen the Grivels you're opening up the hole in the middle. The only surface increase is because more of the rails is exposed to the snow. Even without increasing the surface the greater length will still give you more flotation methinks. Who cares though, the only reason to use these snowshoes instead of some big old pair of penguin feet is that you're going to be in the trees and talus and boulders and whatnot, and at that point you have a different tradeoff - bigger snowshoes are going to get more tangled up. They will also be a total nuisance on your pack once you start climbing. If you're not going to climb and thrash, take skis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pencil_Pusher Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 The Seattle REI has a pair on display/ for sale. I thought the length adjustment was to accomodate different boot sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleblebleb Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Maybe that's all it does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leejams Posted February 3, 2003 Author Share Posted February 3, 2003 Update on this snowshoe (grivel violino). Bought a pair, took em out today and a MAJOR pain in the ass. The binding is so cheesy with the 1 strap over the top and 1 strap around the heel there was horizontal heel play and every time your heel came down they would hit the tops of the metal things sticking up (see caveys pic above) causing your ankle to constantly twist. That was the good part (going up) coming down was a joke and no traction whatsoever. The selling point on these for me was that you wear your crampons on them. However, the fucking binding was so high that the points of your crampons barely cleared the bottom! And then the kicker, I noticed at one point the heel lifter bail on one completely fell off somewhere in 3 feet of snow with no luck of finding it. SOooooo in less than 1/2 mile with this GRIVEL CRAP they are now totally worthless. Oh yes did I mention GRIVEL sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin_B Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 You know where to take them now don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leejams Posted February 3, 2003 Author Share Posted February 3, 2003 Yeah how bout up your ass pointed end first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Lee, Send your comments to Bill Belcourt, President of Grivel North America (bill@grivel.com.) I met him at Pro Mountain Sports making the rounds and picking up feedback from the field. He gave me, a total nobody, a half an hour clinic on tools and crampons. He struck me as a totally genuine guy. He may not be the one to get you a refund (that's REI's job and I have no doubt that you'll get your money back,) but I bet he takes your feedback seriously and that we'll see a better snowshoe as a result of it. P/S, I like this lil devil guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leejams Posted February 3, 2003 Author Share Posted February 3, 2003 Tony, thanks for the info. However, screwed there to as I bought them (new) from an outdoor shop through e-bay. Live and learn I guess. Have contacted Grivel by the way and have yet to hear from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin_B Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Yeah how bout up your ass pointed end first. Actually I meant you could take them back to REI even if you don't have a receipt. But here you go dumb dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leejams Posted February 4, 2003 Author Share Posted February 4, 2003 Dustin, now that is original after reading the 2 above posts. If that is what you meant you would have spoke outa your mouth instead of outa your ass from the get go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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