AlpineK Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Can't speak for what Lenin did to Poland. On the other hand some modern russians seem to have bigger issues with Vladimir Putin riding around shirtless. [img:center]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/16/article-2366037-016A1126000004B0-364_306x482.jpg[/img] At least based on the Pussy Riot interview on the Colbert Report http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/432806/february-04-2014/pussy-riot-pt--1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassgowkiss Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 Yes, Lenin was a murderous, syphilitic, megalomaniacal sociopath. The presence of that statue in Fremont says nothing to the contrary - explicitly or implicitly. There is more than one way to interpret that statue in that location in 2014 I am sure neo-nazis could argue the same way, that a statue of Hitler could be interpreted the same way, so let's put it up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Will the supreme leader ever make it to Seattle? I've always had a strange urge to slap him on his fat fucking pufferfish face. [img:center]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Kim_Il-sung_and_Kim_Jong-il_statues_from_Flickr.jpg/800px-Kim_Il-sung_and_Kim_Jong-il_statues_from_Flickr.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Better stick with the glove slap - bronze is some solid shit. I was hoping for Saddam's St. Francis of Assisi pose for my hood, but Chubcheeks here blows him right out of the Tigris. Hitler would rock it pretty hard. Endless source of dress-up material there, starting with the Goering Collection - taken in a bit. Dog lover, vegetarian, cafe aficionado - stick him in a Prius and it would probably be a year before anyone even noticed his arrival. I always thought a big ole bronze o Robert E. Lee On Horseback plopped smack dab in the middle of the Sculpture Park might freshen things up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Not to worry, GGK, your new overlords are getting raises to pay for their dachas on Hood Canal and Mazama and Leavenworth. Meet your new bosses, same as your old bosses: http://www.komonews.com/news/local/CEO-of-Washington-health-exchange-gets-13-percent-raise-232750371.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I think ole Fremont Lenin has been splattered with red paint representing blood once or twice, so I gotta agree with the usual suspects here this time. My problem would be with the useful idiots who washed it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Statues might be a good way to remind us of past leaders who have committed atrocities, but there are only so many laying around. Today I made a withdrawal from my ATM and was able to give a big fuck you to America's homegrown 19th century ethnic cleanser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Hard to disagree with that sentiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Does your ATM spit out 20s or 5s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 That would be the 20. Maybe it's the Muscogee in me, or maybe I'm prejudiced against Scotch-Irish, but something about Andrew Jackson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 He was pretty fucking evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Pretty much #7 through #15 were evil. Except maybe number 13. Nobody gives a shit about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Begs the question, is it better to be evil and famous, or benevolent and forgotten? Fillmore, Arthur, and Garfield: the presidents that history forgot. Maybe Ivan knows about them though because he has to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Not sure I agree with you re Garfield. Famous for other reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) The whole Hitler thing has kind of lost its cache here, given the current wave of 'The Fall' reduxz, Springtime for Hitler, you name it. That very same irreverence was rampant during WWII - it's nothing new. Irreverence and humor strips these buffoons, and their present day wannabes, of their power. Over-sensitivity to their presence or mention hands that power back to them. Censorship, in any form, is exactly the kind of world they were gunnin' for. Fuck you NSA, fuck you B of A, fuck you AMA, and, what the hell, fuck you AAA. In a free society, any and every form of expression goes, even if, and especially if, it insults part of the populace. That's how myths, especially 'cherished' ones, get their long overdue shitcanning. Clearly, the way we're doing things right now is a dead end in a bunch of ways, and a larger and larger part of the populace is realizing just how fucked our thinking has been for long time. Welcome to the age of myth-killin. Edited February 11, 2014 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Harrison then? Beyond the 20th century things are a bit hazy for me aside from the big names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Begs the question, is it better to be evil and famous, or benevolent and forgotten? Not sure who these benevolent leaders are. Show me one and I'll bet I can show you the mass grave in his back yard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Good call, I guess Harrison didn't last long enough to ring up a tally. Go ahead and take #9 off the evil list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainsandsound Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 True. Just plain forgotten really. Who was the obese one who got stuck in his bathtub? I found that story amusing in high school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) The whole Hitler thing has kind of lost its cache here, given the current wave of 'The Fall' reduxz, Springtime for Hitler, you name it. That very same irreverence was rampant during WWII - it's nothing new. Irreverence and humor strips these buffoons, and their present day wannabes, of their power. Over-sensitivity to their presence or mention hands that power back to them. Censorship, in any form, is exactly the kind of world they were gunnin' for. Fuck you NSA, fuck you B of A, fuck you AMA, and, what the hell, fuck you AAA. In a free society, any and every form of expression goes, even if, and especially if, it insults part of the populace. That's how myths, especially 'cherished' ones, get their long overdue shitcanning. Clearly, the way we're doing things right now is a dead end in a bunch of ways, and a larger and larger part of the populace is realizing just how fucked our thinking has been for long time. Welcome to the age of myth-killin. Maybe, but a healthy fear of slippery slopes (left and right) provides a useful tension. As for the drones and phones and NSA and all the other bullshit, I think anything less than a constitutional amendment is leaving free a door that swings wide with each new administration. Especially since recent execs (GW and BO) have grown fond of signing statements and other bizarre interpretations of Congressional legislation. Edited February 11, 2014 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 True. Just plain forgotten really. Who was the obese one who got stuck in his bathtub? I found that story amusing in high school. That was Taft--my favorite. He also had to have his car towed the final quarter mile to Paradise by a team of mules when it got stuck in the mud during the summer of 1911. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 The whole Hitler thing has kind of lost its cache here, given the current wave of 'The Fall' reduxz, Springtime for Hitler, you name it. That very same irreverence was rampant during WWII - it's nothing new. Irreverence and humor strips these buffoons, and their present day wannabes, of their power. Over-sensitivity to their presence or mention hands that power back to them. Censorship, in any form, is exactly the kind of world they were gunnin' for. Fuck you NSA, fuck you B of A, fuck you AMA, and, what the hell, fuck you AAA. In a free society, any and every form of expression goes, even if, and especially if, it insults part of the populace. That's how myths, especially 'cherished' ones, get their long overdue shitcanning. Clearly, the way we're doing things right now is a dead end in a bunch of ways, and a larger and larger part of the populace is realizing just how fucked our thinking has been for long time. Welcome to the age of myth-killin. Maybe, but a healthy fear of slippery slopes (left and right) provides a useful tension. As for the drones and phones and NSA and all the other bullshit, I think anything less than a constitutional amendment is leaving free a door that swings wide with each new administration. Especially since recent execs (GW and BO) have grown fond of signing statements and other bizarre interpretations of Congressional legislation. Constitutional amendment? We've got the 4th Amendment already. I'm leading a team to lobby for the govt. drone regulation bill in Olympia tomorrow: HB 1771 and SB 6172 do not ban drones—they simply ensure that the policy debate around them happens before the drones are actually deployed, and set reasonable, common sense limits on their most invasive uses. The bill requires local or state government approval before an agency acquires drones. Law enforcement can use drones during emergencies, and for missions that don’t involve collecting personal information or routine regulatory enforcement, but otherwise would need a warrant. Exemptions included in the bill would allow useful operations such as exercises over military bases, fire control, search and rescue, or research operations, among others. Drones cannot carry weapons, and personal data would be deleted unless criminal activity is shown. Agencies would report how and for what purpose their drones are being used. At its heart, the bill seeks to prohibit suspicionless fishing expeditions by government agencies that use drones to conduct generalized surveillance with no suspicion of wrongdoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Major opponent is Boeing, maker of drones. In separate discussions, the ACLU seeks to convince Boeing that regulating drones, and thus making the public comfortable with their use (they are useful, after all), is good business. Their sales will suffer if drones are banned or their use severely regulated after they are inevitably misused in a regulatory vacuum. It's all about the love, ya know? Edited February 11, 2014 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Good ideas all, but even if you can get such legislation passed, politicians and law bullies will always find wiggle room--or a sympathetic judge who doesn't give a rat's ass about the 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 love'em or hate'em, you gotta admit, the coolest assassination attempt in history was jackson's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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