ScottP Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Just curious Greg: How old do you think the earth is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 About as old as your rhetoric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 my next avatar name will be "5-year stu" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnGoat Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Dr. Tim Patterson Professor - Dept of Earth Sciences (Paleoclimatology) - Carleton University, Ottawa  Dr. Tim Ball- Environmental Consultant - 25 years climatology Professor - University of Winnipeg  Dr. Fred Singer- President of The Science & Environmental Policy Project, Distinguished Research Professor at George Mason University, Professor Emeritus of environmental science at University of Virginia  Dr. Pat Michaels Research Professor - Dept of Environmental Sciences - University of Virginia  Dr. Madhav Khandekar Environmental Consultant - 25 years with Environment Canada in Meteorology  Dr. Fred Michel Professor - Dept of Earth Sciences (Permafrost specialty) Carleton University, Ottawa  Dr. Howard C. Hayden Emeritus Professor of Physics - University of Connecticut;  Dr. J. Terry Rogers Emeritus Professor of Mechanical Engineering - Carleton U.  Dr. Roger Pocklington Researcher - Bedford Institute of Oceanography q  Dr. Sallie Baliunas Astrophysicist - Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics - specialist in understanding the Sun/climate connection.  Dr. Willie Soon Astrophysicist - Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics - specialist in understanding the Sun/climate connection. w  Dr. John Christy Professor and Director, Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama  Dr. Chris Essex Professor of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario - focuses on underlying physics/math to complex climate systems. e  Dr. Roger Peilke Professor and Colorado State Climatologist; Current President of the American Association of State Climatologists  Dr. William M. Gray Professor of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University  Dr. Fred Seitz Past President, U.S. National Academy of Sciences, President Emeritus, Rockefeller University, N  Dr. George Taylor Oregon State Meteorologist, Oregon Climate Service, Oregon State University and the Past President of the Association of State Meteorologists.  Dr. Sherwood Idso President of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change  Dr. David Wojick, P.E. an independent journalist and policy analyst, specializing in Kyoto issues - science, technology, politics and policy  Art Robinson of OISM Founder - Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine - focus on climate change and CO2  Dr. Herb I. H. Saravanamuttoo Emeritus Professor of Mechanical Engineering - Carleton U.  Dr. Robert Balling Director - Office of Climatology, Arizona State University  Dr. Chris de Freitas Professor, School of Geography and Environmental Science, U  Dr. Petr Chylek Professor of Physics and Atmospheric Science - Dalhousie University  Dr. Ross McKitrick Professor of environmental economics at the University of Guelph -  Dr. Philip Stott Emeritus Professor of Biogeography - University of London (England)  Dr. Richard P. Lindzen Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology l 3 Dr. Jan Veizer NSERC/Noranda/CIAR Industrial Chair in Earth System Isotope and Environmental Geochemistry and Professor - Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa  Dr. Paal Brekke Paal is a solar physicist at the European Space Agency, Norway  Source: http://www.envirotruth.org/myth_experts.cfm  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 The reason some people drive gas hogs is because they can't afford to own two cars- an efficient commuter car AND a weekend car that will haul all their gear on bad roads. The real cost is not in the purchase price, but rather than in INSURANCE costs. Â Insurance companies charge almost as much for the second car as for the first, even though one can only drive one car at a time. Presumably most of the risk to the insurer occurs when the car is actually driving, as opposed to sitting. Certainly all the liability risk- a sitting car can be stolen of course. Â What we need is insurance reform. If insurance rates came down, people would drive more efficient cars to work and save the gas hog for the weekend. Detroit would be happy because they would get to sell more cars. Â --Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Dr. George Taylor Oregon State Meteorologist, Oregon Climate Service, Oregon State University and the Past President of the Association of State Meteorologists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnGoat Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 you make a great point catbird, I'd drive one car to work and another to play if I could afford it, but I can't. So I pick the one that can do both and make do with the cost incurred by extra gas to go to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 My truck got $8,000 worth of damage after being rear ended at 45mph at a trailhead in september. Considering I was 8 miles away at the time of the accident, it is fair to say the car was not being driven at the time of the accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Of course, we could also ride the bus more often, ride bikes and, heaven forbid, walk places. But, people like their cars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Yeah no kidding, those must be the same guys that Imasco and Philip Morriss fired once the tobacco lawsuits came in or what? Anybody on left or right can trot out some pet scientists & it means little. But how many scientists are there in the world and what is the split then? 90%/10%? Hell Thabo Mbeki has been able to find doctors who say that HIV does not cause AIDS and look what that, translated to government policy, is doing to his country (=South Africa for Americans who wouldnt otherwise know) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Just curious Trask: How old do you think the earth is? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Scott, the generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence. Let me know if you need the evidence. Â You're welcome, trask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 I guess the Bible is not one of them, you heathen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 we are all stardust and our ages are infinite. did you know if you see someone 7 years later you are seeing an entirely different person at the cellular level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 I have no dirrect proof that the world is more than 39 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Scott, the generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence. Let me know if you need the evidence. Â Yeah, how about that radiometric data using thorium? Â (So, I guess your not into that kooky stuff where the earth happened on October 26, 4004 BC at 9:00 am.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 I don't buy the rock theory, preferring instead the more direct means for calculating the Earth's age which is a Pb/Pb isochron age, derived from samples of the Earth and meteorites. This involves measurement of three isotopes of lead (Pb-206, Pb-207, and either Pb-208 or Pb-204). A plot is constructed of Pb-206/Pb-204 versus Pb-207/Pb-204. Â Time for a beer Professor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Damn, Trask, you're not too bad at the cut-and-paste gig. Nice work, scout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Time for a beer Professor  I can dig that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 DFA, why don't you clean the urinals while Scott and I have a beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Wait, you guys haven't been already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Trask, why don't you drink more piss so the urinals don't get dirty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Anejo and Coke. Just what the doctor ordered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 18, 2002 Share Posted December 18, 2002 Hey Doc- Friday night and the lights are low You're looking out for a place to go Where they play the right music Getting in the swing You come to look for a queen Anybody could be that guy Night is young and the music's high With a bit of rock music Everything is fine DFA's in the mood for a dance with his dancing queen guy  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted December 18, 2002 Author Share Posted December 18, 2002 how many scientists are there in the world and what is the split then? 90%/10%? Â you are being too generous. The site linked to is a front for the conservative think tank "national center for policy research"; you bet that if they only could find 30 odd names to put on the list it's because there are not too many more of them. The majority appears to have the necessary research credentials (like being part of an active and closely related to climate research program) and others are the usual mouth pieces for the energy industry: greening earth society, marshall institute, oregon insitute of science and medecine, science and environmental policy project, etc ... the usual culprits in the climate science conservative media blitzkrieg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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