it's not happening, we need another 5-year study

[ScottP]

Just curious Greg: How old do you think the earth is?

[allthumbs]

About as old as your rhetoric?

[Dru]

my next avatar name will be "5-year stu"

[MtnGoat]

Dr. Tim Patterson Professor - Dept of Earth Sciences (Paleoclimatology) - Carleton University, Ottawa

 

Dr. Tim Ball- Environmental Consultant - 25 years climatology Professor - University of Winnipeg

 

Dr. Fred Singer- President of The Science & Environmental Policy Project, Distinguished Research Professor at George Mason University, Professor Emeritus of environmental science at University of Virginia

 

Dr. Pat Michaels Research Professor - Dept of Environmental Sciences - University of Virginia

 

Dr. Madhav Khandekar Environmental Consultant - 25 years with Environment Canada in Meteorology

 

Dr. Fred Michel Professor - Dept of Earth Sciences (Permafrost specialty) Carleton University, Ottawa

 

Dr. Howard C. Hayden Emeritus Professor of Physics - University of Connecticut;

 

Dr. J. Terry Rogers Emeritus Professor of Mechanical Engineering - Carleton U.

 

Dr. Roger Pocklington Researcher - Bedford Institute of Oceanography q

 

Dr. Sallie Baliunas Astrophysicist - Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics - specialist in understanding the Sun/climate connection.

 

Dr. Willie Soon Astrophysicist - Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics - specialist in understanding the Sun/climate connection. w

 

Dr. John Christy Professor and Director, Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama

 

Dr. Chris Essex Professor of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario - focuses on underlying physics/math to complex climate systems. e

 

Dr. Roger Peilke Professor and Colorado State Climatologist; Current President of the American Association of State Climatologists

 

Dr. William M. Gray Professor of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University

 

Dr. Fred Seitz Past President, U.S. National Academy of Sciences, President Emeritus, Rockefeller University, N

 

Dr. George Taylor Oregon State Meteorologist, Oregon Climate Service, Oregon State University and the Past President of the Association of State Meteorologists.

 

Dr. Sherwood Idso President of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change

 

Dr. David Wojick, P.E. an independent journalist and policy analyst, specializing in Kyoto issues - science, technology, politics and policy

 

Art Robinson of OISM Founder - Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine - focus on climate change and CO2

 

Dr. Herb I. H. Saravanamuttoo Emeritus Professor of Mechanical Engineering - Carleton U.

 

Dr. Robert Balling Director - Office of Climatology, Arizona State University

 

Dr. Chris de Freitas Professor, School of Geography and Environmental Science, U

 

Dr. Petr Chylek Professor of Physics and Atmospheric Science - Dalhousie University

 

Dr. Ross McKitrick Professor of environmental economics at the University of Guelph -

 

Dr. Philip Stott Emeritus Professor of Biogeography - University of London (England)

 

Dr. Richard P. Lindzen Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology l

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Dr. Jan Veizer NSERC/Noranda/CIAR Industrial Chair in Earth System Isotope and Environmental Geochemistry and Professor - Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

 

Dr. Paal Brekke Paal is a solar physicist at the European Space Agency, Norway

 

Source:

http://www.envirotruth.org/myth_experts.cfm

 

[catbirdseat]

The reason some people drive gas hogs is because they can't afford to own two cars- an efficient commuter car AND a weekend car that will haul all their gear on bad roads. The real cost is not in the purchase price, but rather than in INSURANCE costs.

 

Insurance companies charge almost as much for the second car as for the first, even though one can only drive one car at a time. Presumably most of the risk to the insurer occurs when the car is actually driving, as opposed to sitting. Certainly all the liability risk- a sitting car can be stolen of course.

 

What we need is insurance reform. If insurance rates came down, people would drive more efficient cars to work and save the gas hog for the weekend. Detroit would be happy because they would get to sell more cars.

 

--Brian

[iain]

Dr. George Taylor Oregon State Meteorologist, Oregon Climate Service, Oregon State University and the Past President of the Association of State Meteorologists.

[MtnGoat]

you make a great point catbird, I'd drive one car to work and another to play if I could afford it, but I can't. So I pick the one that can do both and make do with the cost incurred by extra gas to go to work.

[glen]

My truck got $8,000 worth of damage after being rear ended at 45mph at a trailhead in september. Considering I was 8 miles away at the time of the accident, it is fair to say the car was not being driven at the time of the accident.

[glen]

Of course, we could also ride the bus more often, ride bikes and, heaven forbid, walk places. But, people like their cars...

[Dru]

Yeah no kidding, those must be the same guys that Imasco and Philip Morriss fired once the tobacco lawsuits came in or what? Anybody on left or right can trot out some pet scientists & it means little. But how many scientists are there in the world and what is the split then? 90%/10%? Hell Thabo Mbeki has been able to find doctors who say that HIV does not cause AIDS and look what that, translated to government policy, is doing to his country (=South Africa for Americans who wouldnt otherwise know)

[ScottP]

Just curious Trask: How old do you think the earth is?

 

[allthumbs]

Scott, the generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence. Let me know if you need the evidence.

 

You're welcome, trask

[Dru]

I guess the Bible is not one of them, you heathen.

[iain]

we are all stardust and our ages are infinite. did you know if you see someone 7 years later you are seeing an entirely different person at the cellular level?

[AlpineK]

I have no dirrect proof that the world is more than 39 years old.

[ScottP]

Scott, the generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence. Let me know if you need the evidence.

 

Yeah, how about that radiometric data using thorium?

 

(So, I guess your not into that kooky stuff where the earth happened on October 26, 4004 BC at 9:00 am.)

[allthumbs]

I don't buy the rock theory, preferring instead the more direct means for calculating the Earth's age which is a Pb/Pb isochron age, derived from samples of the Earth and meteorites. This involves measurement of three isotopes of lead (Pb-206, Pb-207, and either Pb-208 or Pb-204). A plot is constructed of Pb-206/Pb-204 versus Pb-207/Pb-204.

 

Time for a beer Professor

[Dr_Flash_Amazing]

Damn, Trask, you're not too bad at the cut-and-paste gig. Nice work, scout.

[ScottP]

Time for a beer Professor

 

I can dig that.

[allthumbs]

DFA, why don't you clean the urinals while Scott and I have a beer.

[glen]

Wait, you guys haven't been already?

[Dr_Flash_Amazing]

Trask, why don't you drink more piss so the urinals don't get dirty?

[freeclimb9]

Anejo and Coke. Just what the doctor ordered.

[allthumbs]

Hey Doc-

Friday night and the lights are low

You're looking out for a place to go

Where they play the right music

Getting in the swing

You come to look for a queen

Anybody could be that guy

Night is young and the music's high

With a bit of rock music

Everything is fine

DFA's in the mood for a dance

with his dancing queen guy

 

[j_b]

how many scientists are there in the world and what is the split then? 90%/10%?

 

you are being too generous. The site linked to is a front for the conservative think tank "national center for policy research"; you bet that if they only could find 30 odd names to put on the list it's because there are not too many more of them. The majority appears to have the necessary research credentials (like being part of an active and closely related to climate research program) and others are the usual mouth pieces for the energy industry: greening earth society, marshall institute, oregon insitute of science and medecine, science and environmental policy project, etc ... the usual culprits in the climate science conservative media blitzkrieg.