Had Your Flu Shots Yet?

[Kimmo]

Last month,, in a step tantamount to heresy in the public health world, scientists at the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota released a report saying that influenza vaccinations provide only modest protection for healthy young and middle-age adults, and little if any protection for those 65 and older, who are most likely to succumb to the illness or its complications.

 

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[glassgowkiss]

Influenza virus mutates faster then the vaccine can be created.

[ivan]

was free, so yes, why not?

[glassgowkiss]

was free, so yes, why not?

If someone wanted to fuck you for free, would you also say- why not? It really blows my mind how many people let medical establishment experiment on them without one question.

[rob]

was free, so yes, why not?

If someone wanted to fuck you for free, would you also say- why not? It really blows my mind how many people let medical establishment experiment on them without one question.

 

Are you unaccustomed to the concept of letting people fuck you for free?

 

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[jon]

was free, so yes, why not?

 

Because it could cause the activation of oncogenic viruses that in most cases are undetectable.

[rob]

was free, so yes, why not?

 

Because it could cause the activation of oncogenic viruses that in most cases are undetectable.

 

Wait, are you saying the flu shot causes cancer? Did you vote for Ron Paul, Jon?

 

http://genome.fieldofscience.com/2009/09/scare-mongering-about-flu-vaccine-and.html?m=1

 

[AlpineK]

Got one. I'm taking a plane ride in early December and figure it can't hurt.

 

Posting in Spray is relatively safe. You don't have to breath recycled air from other posters.

[jon]

Wait, are you saying the flu shot causes cancer? Did you vote for Ron Paul, Jon?

 

http://genome.fieldofscience.com/2009/09/scare-mongering-about-flu-vaccine-and.html?m=1

 

Ron who?

 

Not cause cancer, but cause the viruses to lytically replicate.

[Kimmo]

was free, so yes, why not?

 

Because it could cause the activation of oncogenic viruses that in most cases are undetectable.

 

Wait, are you saying the flu shot causes cancer? Did you vote for Ron Paul, Jon?

 

http://genome.fieldofscience.com/2009/09/scare-mongering-about-flu-vaccine-and.html?m=1

 

the blog you cite seems to be a rather poorly written opinion piece, don't you think? Not sure why you are citing it.

 

but regarding the cancer link, never heard about that one....

[rob]

I only pay attention to Mercola. He's the best!!!

[Kimmo]

was free, so yes, why not?

 

not sure if you're serious, but:

 

perhaps because its efficacy seems to be in question?

 

perhaps because the illness it's attempting to prevent is about 0% danger to those that the vaccine *might* actually help?

 

Because of the possible dangers of this vaccine?

 

Because of the limited testing of the vaccine?

 

i don't know.... i tend to shy away from intervention therapies that have serious issues.

 

perhaps your school "strongly recommended" the vaccinations?

 

 

[Kimmo]

I only pay attention to Mercola. He's the best!!!

 

really?

 

i think his input to the "vaccine controversy" should be questioned, as should anyone's.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

was free, so yes, why not?

 

They are *not* free.

 

[Kimmo]

was free, so yes, why not?

 

They are *not* free.

 

good point. flu vaccines are a multi-billion dollar industry, and pharma isn't into charity work.

[tvashtarkatena]

A teacher exposed to hundreds of kids a day might solve the risk/benefit equation differently than others.

 

 

[rob]

was free, so yes, why not?

 

not sure if you're serious, but:

 

perhaps because its efficacy seems to be in question?

 

perhaps because the illness it's attempting to prevent is about 0% danger to those that the vaccine *might* actually help?

 

Because of the possible dangers of this vaccine?

 

Because of the limited testing of the vaccine?

 

i don't know.... i tend to shy away from intervention therapies that have serious issues.

 

perhaps your school "strongly recommended" the vaccinations?

 

 

+1 !!!

[glassgowkiss]

A teacher exposed to hundreds of kids a day might solve the risk/benefit equation differently than others.

On the contrary, usually health care workers and teachers have better immune systems, because they are exposed to all sorts of pathogens. As the matter of fact something like 85% of healthcare workers will test positive for MRSA, however the cases of developing symptoms among them are rare. So on contrary to the bullshit you and pharmaceutical companies are spreading, good sleep, stress management, proper nutrition, and frequent washing hands is your best defense against pathogens.

[Kimmo]

A teacher exposed to hundreds of kids a day might solve the risk/benefit equation differently than others.

 

truly so. but one should understand both the risks and benefits for the equation to work, yes? did you read the original linked article?

 

 

[Kimmo]

some of you might find this article interesting, from Virology Journal, a peer reviewed journal:

 

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A ninth conundrum evident only recently is that epidemiological studies question vaccine effectiveness, contrary to randomized controlled trials, which show vaccines to be effective. For example, influenza mortality and hospitalization rates for older Americans significantly increased in the 80's and 90's, during the same time that influenza vaccination rates for elderly Americans dramatically increased [7,8]. Even when aging of the population is accounted for, death rates of the most immunized age group did not decline [9]. Rizzo et al studying Italian elderly, concluded, "We found no evidence of reduction in influenza-related mortality in the last 15 years, despite the concomitant increase of influenza vaccination coverage from ~10% to ~60%" [10]. Given that influenza vaccinations increase adaptive immunity, why don't epidemiological studies show increasing vaccination rates are translating into decreasing illness?

[jon]

but regarding the cancer link, never heard about that one....

 

It's currently an unpublished finding.

[glassgowkiss]

some of you might find this article interesting, from Virology Journal, a peer reviewed journal:

 

link

 

A ninth conundrum evident only recently is that epidemiological studies question vaccine effectiveness, contrary to randomized controlled trials, which show vaccines to be effective. For example, influenza mortality and hospitalization rates for older Americans significantly increased in the 80's and 90's, during the same time that influenza vaccination rates for elderly Americans dramatically increased [7,8]. Even when aging of the population is accounted for, death rates of the most immunized age group did not decline [9]. Rizzo et al studying Italian elderly, concluded, "We found no evidence of reduction in influenza-related mortality in the last 15 years, despite the concomitant increase of influenza vaccination coverage from ~10% to ~60%" [10]. Given that influenza vaccinations increase adaptive immunity, why don't epidemiological studies show increasing vaccination rates are translating into decreasing illness?

 

Also interesting in this article is the effect of vitamin D and solar radiation effect. Just taking vitamin D decreased rate of infection among the participants, which just proves my earlier point. Flu shots is a business driven industry, essentially snake oil sold under pretend of "public health". And we are talking "public health" the rate of deaths related to influenza is insignificant to the number of deaths caused by obesity related issues (CVA and MI).

[rob]

Plus, not only are they ineffective, but they're really bad for you too! Probably dangerous, in fact

 

If you have a diet rich in whole foods and natural nutrients, lots of sunshine and plenty of exercuse you probably won't get sick at all in the first place. It's no surprise cancers are up, modern medicine ignores the importance of lifestyle. People didn't used to get sick so often back in feudal times, even when poor, because they got so much fresh air and exercise. You never saw a fat serf.

[glassgowkiss]

OK, one more reason tom avoid injections like that are trace amounts of mercury due to storage process. That reason alone should give people time to pause and think twice about side effects, particularly when it deals with children. Once introduced, mercury can't be removed out of the system.

[rob]

Modern medicine is all about $$$$, they dont actually care about improving health. Our overall health as a species has never been worse than it is now. Most of these diseases are caused by "modern ideas" anyway. Animals in the wild on a natural diet never get sick or cancer, hmmmmm why is that???