ivan Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 A history of oppression is not inherently ennobling, sometimes it just makes you want to be the one to wear the boot. Take Israel or the various waves of US immigrant's attitudes towards the wave behind them as examples. tutsis vs hutus in rwanda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Workers of the world unite... the modern mantra might run more like "wal-mart greeters of the world unite" as the economy sure hasn't offered that many other solutions for the down-sized n' downtrodden... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Climbers of the world untie  I thought that was the boulderer's call to arms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Workers of the world unite... the modern mantra might run more like "wal-mart greeters of the world unite" as the economy sure hasn't offered that many other solutions for the down-sized n' downtrodden... Â FOUR MORE YEARS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 3, 2012 Author Share Posted November 3, 2012 gentlemen, you've interrupted my inspirational manifesto. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 3, 2012 Author Share Posted November 3, 2012 Halt the Revolution! Â There are four huge tittied cougars at the bottom of the page who claim they don't WANT young men, they want ME. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Workers of the world unite... the modern mantra might run more like "wal-mart greeters of the world unite" as the economy sure hasn't offered that many other solutions for the down-sized n' downtrodden... Â FOUR MORE YEARS! sheeeit, romney wins and the main difference'll will only be the greeters won't be able to get health-care... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 The plot thickens! Â http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/14318-focus-uaw-files-charges-against-romney-for-auto-bail-out-profiteering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 So no real argument for tax cuts for rich people boosting growth. According to your Party, you'd think it was holy writ. Thanks. Â A more precise interpretation would be that there's little or no empirical connection between marginal and effective tax rates, so attempting to tether marginal tax rates to anything via a statistical regression will tell you nothing about the connection between marginal tax rates and whatever it is you are claiming is affected by them. Â IMO all you can say about taxes is that in general if you tax something you get les of it than you would otherwise, and if you subsidize something you get more of it than you would otherwise. Â A flat consumption tax would be economically optimal but I'd settle for a progressive consumption tax. Get rid of taxes on income, savings, investment, and production and there'd be much more to redistribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 GDP and Uncle Sam's Pie are abstractions. I mean, really, as individuals, who fucking cares? How many folks in America wake up and ask "IS GDP GROWTH OK???!!!!" Â Wealth concentration is not an abstraction. We have a worsening wealth concentration problem in this country, relative to other developed countries its abysmal. It's stifling growth, eroding the middle class, making access to the middle class more difficult, and, while I know this is may be too much of an abstraction for ya: increasing human suffering. Â The Simpleton's agenda that is the GOP's tax cut mantra is partially responsible. Â Well, that and spending even more than the 700B/yr (yup...that's 14 Sandy recoveries folks...per year) we already spend on a military that's already larger than the next 14 countries combined. Â We don't wealth redistribution in this country, we need to reclaim the wealth that the wealthiest have stolen from those who created their wealth for them in this country. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Changes in household composition are a far more significant driver of "household" income inequality than changes in the distribution of individual incomes. Â Â Tough problem to address via tweaking marginal tax rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 The plot thickens! http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/14318-focus-uaw-files-charges-against-romney-for-auto-bail-out-profiteering  Interesting, and wouldn't be shocking if true.  With a couple days left till the election most Pro-Romney folks will look at the name of the group filing the charge and dismiss it. Stuff like that needs to build up a head of steam before it really burns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Â Â Tough problem to address via tweaking marginal tax rates. if only we could win that pesky War on Marriage, we'd all richer than humpty-hump n' donald-trump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 if only we could win that pesky War on Marriage, we'd all richer than humpty-hump n' donald-trump! Â After listening to many years of tales from the front lines I get the sense that broken/abusive families, substance abuse, and mental illness seem to swirl around in a self-perpetuating vortex that makes it immensely difficult for a non-trivial portion of the folks who spend the bulk of their adult life on the far left side of the table above to change their situations - with or without outside help. Â I'm not sure what kind of job a high-school-dropout bi-polar meth addict raised in an abusive home is going to be a good match for, but there are some people who are going to struggle financially no matter what the taxation/redistribution policy the country happens to be under at any particular time. Ditto for the 28-year old morbidly obsese, clinically depressed diabetic strung out on Oxy's who's already logged multiple years on the disability roster. Â If the kids raised in that kind of chaos were magically whisked away and raised in intact households headed by sane, responsible, non-abusive, non-addict parents - be they Unitarian lesbians or white-bread Mormons - they'd have a much better shot IMO. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Â If the kids raised in that kind of chaos were magically whisked away and raised in intact households headed by sane, responsible, non-abusive, non-addict parents - be they Unitarian lesbians or white-bread Mormons - they'd have a much better shot IMO. no argument from me - certainly a case though of were the symptom (being in a fucked-up family) can easily be mistaken for the cause (living in a fucked-up community) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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