MtnGoat Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 population control will happen all on it's own, every nation's birth rate drops as it's economic situation improves, no external incentives are necessary as the personal incentives are quite powerful and entirely obvious, especially to women. Sure, it's incremental, and slow, but it's also self evident and based in personal choice.... which means it may not be fast enough for some but it is actual, real change because it's chosen not imposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 I know it's old but - http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/sailing/05/20/green.areva.spt/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 24, 2002 Author Share Posted October 24, 2002 You go girls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: You go girls Trask, those little puss-whips bring out the worst in me...I say keel-haul the last one of 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by RobBob: quote: The harm Greenpeace offers is financial and public relations, not physical. Hey Off, Now you know better. You have enough life experience to know how provocative those boats might seem if they were crossing your bow. That's physical jousting, man. Yeah, provocative like a snotty three year old bugging a pit bull at the food bowl. In a physical confrontation, there isn't much doubt about the outcome. I'm not trying to say that the obstructionist tactics they use are not physical, only that Greenpeace does not set booby traps or act like some black ops saboteur. Here's a pic of the pussys at work, harrassing the Russian Navy:Â Â [ 10-23-2002, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: Off White ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: I know it's old but - http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/sailing/05/20/green.areva.spt/ Harrassing the French is a good thing, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Ramming a world cup yachting boat because of a sponsor aint Honorable. More like losers. Shit them dudes on the yacht just want to race. They could work on getting real if they think that's a political statement. Sounds more like jackasses to me. But hey that's just one incident. BTW I have French Blood  [ 10-23-2002, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Cpt.Caveman ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Off, The outcome might be lives lost due to a collision, or attempted rescue after collision, all because these chumps ignored common sense (not to mention rules of the sea). I've spent enough time on the water and at the helm to know it's a lot more of a physical risk than it might look in a photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 24, 2002 Author Share Posted October 24, 2002 I'd like to give the Coast Guardsman a medal that ran over the wanking bimbo on the jet ski that was trying to upset the Macaw's whale hunt. BooYah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by RobBob: Off, The outcome might be lives lost due to a collision, or attempted rescue after collision, all because these chumps ignored common sense (not to mention rules of the sea). Who ignored the rules of the sea?? As far as I can tell the article is inconclusive. Both sides say they didn't do anything. Â [ 10-23-2002, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: snoboy ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by snoboy: quote:Originally posted by RobBob: Off, The outcome might be lives lost due to a collision, or attempted rescue after collision, all because these chumps ignored common sense (not to mention rules of the sea). Who ignored the rules of the sea?? As far as I can tell the article is inconclusive. Both sides say they didn't do anything. Watch out world cup yacht racers are now boat rammers if you dont like their sponsors. They get paid for it  I kind of find it hard to believe that the racing team went off course to ram a greenpeace boat. I must admit it is pretty funny though. Sounds like either way it happened was due to the GP stupidity and hard heads.  I'm not against GP just found something interesting that is halfway recent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by RobBob: Off, The outcome might be lives lost due to a collision, or attempted rescue after collision, all because these chumps ignored common sense (not to mention rules of the sea). I've spent enough time on the water and at the helm to know it's a lot more of a physical risk than it might look in a photo. But you support rescuing climbers who push the edges of the "rules of the hills" don't you? Ask any of our rescue people on the board, that's a risky proposition for sure. I know that boat stuff is riskier than photos make it look, I wouldn't do it. Still, what Greenpeace does cannot be termed intentional physical harm. Â Ray, the way I read that article about the French racing boat it sounded like a he said/she said argument, with no witnesses coming forward that weren't involved. Its just a question of who you belive. So thankfully we're once again out of the rocky shoals of hard facts and plunging through the deep water of pure spray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: quote:Originally posted by snoboy: Who ignored the rules of the sea?? As far as I can tell the article is inconclusive. Both sides say they didn't do anything. I kind of find it hard to believe that the racing team went off course to ram a greenpeace boat. I must admit it is pretty funny though. Sounds like either way it happened was due to the GP stupidity and hard heads. I was thinking it could be a team boat as in another dinghy or something?? Coz they say it hit their dinghy and pushed them into the race boat. But as I said it's pretty inconclusive. I'm not all for or all against GP. I admire their "hard heads" though, and I think that anyone who gets people thinking and debating is good. And Hey, they are the home team after all. Started in Vangroover I believe.  They do have lots of support from people like J. Simpson though. Not that I think JS is a hero or any thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Sponsors hire French Legionnaires to commando their yacht vs GP Shit bro what the fuck were they even that close for is the real issue. It's a fuckin boat race for cryin' out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 24, 2002 Author Share Posted October 24, 2002 As far as the FRENCH racing boat goes...the French hate everybody; especially Americans. Â "Us Legionnaires, we have no fears we do not care for riches- Â We knock our cocks upon the rocks, us hearty sons o' bitches" Â [ 10-23-2002, 12:58 PM: Message edited by: trask ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by trask: I'd like to give the Coast Guardsman a medal that ran over the wanking bimbo on the jet ski that was trying to upset the Macaw's whale hunt. BooYah! Did they actually run him over? I think that was the Sea Shepherd group involved in the Makah thing, and that Greenpeace has kept its distance. Native treaty rights versus eco politics, there's a connundrum to make any right thinking liberal's head spin. Personally, I side with the tribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Greg W: You may exercise your personal freedom and liberty to the extent that it does not infringe the personal freedom and liberty of your neighbor. Very simple. Yes, very simple. Noone disagrees with this. Â Unfortunately, this statement is never applicable in the big world of resource consumption. If you let consumers have free reign, the conservers will be infringed upon. If you let conservers have their way, the consumers will be upset. Â Greg seems to think that his statement validates degradation of the environment, because people who protest such activities are infringing upon the freedom and liberties of the degraders. Â If called on this point, he makes up some bullshit sidestep of how mining and logging are very clean and don't hurt anyone. Â Remarkable!!! How can one argue with a true believer of such twisted logic? It's beating your head against the wall people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Off White: I think that was the Sea Shepherd group involved in the Makah thing, and that Greenpeace has kept its distance. I can tell the GP boats keep their distance in all the photos I see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by chucK: It is currently hamstrung by the SUV loophole. "SUV Loophole"????? What is that, like the "gunshow loophole"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Exactly, Greg. A recent study by the Department of Unchecked Petroleum Gluttony revealed that 90% of all SUVs are fully automatic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 More pure gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Nice timing bringing this back on the day the FBI busts 6 ELF members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Humorous, too, that the government can somehow destroy entire cities with 1,000-lb bombs in the name of its cause (what was it again? Freedom or some shit like that?), and then, with a straight face, call someone who sets fire to a car a "terrorist." Â I hate what's become of this stupid country sometimes. It had so much potential, once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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